Update: there was an A11Y bug which blocked the start in M93. This bug has been fixed in M95 and we are working on merging it back to M94. We would now like to start OT in M94, to run through M97.
On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 12:21:43 PM UTC-7 mk...@chromium.org wrote: > LGTM, thank you. > > -mike > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 8:05 PM Lu Huang <lu.h...@microsoft.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for confirming with others. We would like to get permission to >> start OT in Chromium *M93*, running through *M95*. Planning to add user >> preferences WebUI in *M94. * >> >> >> >> *From:* Mike West <mk...@chromium.org> >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 22, 2021 10:07 AM >> *To:* Lu Huang <lu.h...@microsoft.com> >> *Cc:* Mandy Chen (SHE/HER) <mandy...@microsoft.com>; blin...@chromium.org >> <blin...@chromium.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Experiment: >> Progressive Web Apps as URL Handlers >> >> >> >> I've confirmed with folks internally that y'all are on the same page with >> regard to the UX, thanks! >> >> >> >> I should have asked previously: in what timeframe do you plan to run the >> origin trial? >> >> >> -mike >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 7:38 PM 'Lu Huang' via blink-dev < >> blin...@chromium.org> wrote: >> >> Adding to Mandy's reply re. Chromium's implementation: >> >> - Web app manifest content does not have to change for WAOA file changes >> to get validated during the manifest update check. >> - WAOA files needed by a particular web app can be revalidated at most >> once a day (because of the web app manifest update throttle period). >> - There is no upper limit to the time before WAOA files are revalidated >> if the browser never navigates to the app's scope. >> >> - It's possible for the user to always dismiss the app picker dialog >> when URL handling happens. The app never updates and WAOA files are never >> revalidated. >> >> >> Broadly speaking, the guarantee we have in the Chromium implementation is >> that any app that is actively visited (*) by the user will have its >> required WAOA files revalidated. >> >> (*) There is an unlikely edge case: if an app is visited actively but >> never navigates any URL within its scope, manifest update and WAOA >> revalidation will not take place. >> >> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:55:26 AM UTC-7 Mandy Chen (SHE/HER) >> wrote: >> >> Web app origin association revalidation schedule is the same as that of >> manifest update. It’s triggered by app launch or app page load, and it’s >> throttled to once a day. When the browser restarts, we also clear any last >> updated timestamp information, so on the next app launch/page load, we also >> update the manifest and revalidate web app origin associations. See the “On >> Manifest Update” section of the Web App Origin Association design doc: Web >> App Origin Association Design - Google Docs >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F14-_u_DSUKCC0XT9rWgQz9SytDQpCet--KVROV_YTkGw%2Fedit%23heading%3Dh.a3ehq6f4vy2k&data=04%7C01%7CLu.Huang%40microsoft.com%7Cf7298953186f44d01a5808d94d3326ff%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C0%7C0%7C637625704393516823%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ugKh0YOQCP1LmKqQ3mlCZwvp8toDff%2BfhzIAZKygsxM%3D&reserved=0> >> . >> >> >> >> Let me know if there’re more questions. Thank you! >> >> >> >> *From:* Mike West <mk...@chromium.org> >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 1:17 AM >> *To:* Mandy Chen (SHE/HER) <mandy...@microsoft.com> >> *Cc:* blin...@chromium.org >> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [blink-dev] Intent to Experiment: Progressive >> Web Apps as URL Handlers >> >> >> >> In Chrome's internal security review, folks had some questions about the >> revalidation schedule (which seems pretty critical). It's not clear to me >> from the docs linked here what that looks like in Chromium's >> implementation. Can you clarify the mechanism and the guarantees it >> provides? >> >> >> >> I'd also note that I appreciate the work y'all have done with Chrome's >> permissions/UX folks to deal with concerns in >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pL9VexY86o3YW-iP1iN_O2fzj9QBqvBQm7CWMl5Djf0/edit#heading=h.aqp7s0iku4eb >> >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1pL9VexY86o3YW-iP1iN_O2fzj9QBqvBQm7CWMl5Djf0%2Fedit%23heading%3Dh.aqp7s0iku4eb&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210475548%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=khN4f%2BCBf2PJ2igvzVrK%2FqSYWiscZnCN6p8sdi5nMZo%3D&reserved=0>. >> >> I'll confirm with them that you're on the same page. :) >> >> >> -mike >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 1:31 AM 'Mandy Chen (SHE/HER)' via blink-dev < >> blin...@chromium.org> wrote: >> Contact emails >> >> lu.h...@microsoft.com, mandy...@microsoft.com, luig...@microsoft.com, >> m...@chromium.org >> Explainer >> >> https://github.com/WICG/pwa-url-handler >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FWICG%2Fpwa-url-handler&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210485532%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=fu3SAChcVtbCkb0WetFys5kxiwbOHQMCJ1hovQNuZ6Q%3D&reserved=0> >> Specification >> >> Pending >> API spec >> >> Yes >> Design docs >> >> >> https://github.com/WICG/pwa-url-handler >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FWICG%2Fpwa-url-handler&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210495529%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=U9WFZQsvyPXeFGNuegMQdKTgpQ3zk9XEn%2FDbAx%2BdXlI%3D&reserved=0> >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19dGklalQTRtRrG3PKrVbDRmYPLHGLnsGEwUaed7sAFQ/edit?usp=sharing >> >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F19dGklalQTRtRrG3PKrVbDRmYPLHGLnsGEwUaed7sAFQ%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210495529%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=imsQmaqdDIsoDzxaYS5V2G9ki2i8rc7gVsGjyUxZl%2B4%3D&reserved=0> >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/14-_u_DSUKCC0XT9rWgQz9SytDQpCet--KVROV_YTkGw/edit?usp=sharing >> >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F14-_u_DSUKCC0XT9rWgQz9SytDQpCet--KVROV_YTkGw%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210505525%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=GjhYeiEEJe%2BvAevlfQsNJlhdMDV8R098%2FySyAGH7cMQ%3D&reserved=0> >> Summary >> >> Enables web applications to register as https URL handlers using their >> web app manifest. >> >> >> Blink component >> >> UI>Browser>WebAppInstalls >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.chromium.org%2Fp%2Fchromium%2Fissues%2Flist%3Fq%3Dcomponent%3AUI%253EBrowser%253EWebAppInstalls&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210515519%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=1gHYOUzqkpYZrnq8VNza3xNdukrzLn0vu1Su4EnvTLw%3D&reserved=0> >> TAG review >> >> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/552 >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3ctag%2Fdesign-reviews%2Fissues%2F552&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210515519%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=5%2B%2ByTCFyKuaABNZBimXNi9YKEtxFH675kNjyvl%2BqbSQ%3D&reserved=0> >> TAG review status >> >> Pending >> Risks >> >> >> Interoperability and Compatibility >> >> This feature is new to the web and web apps that do not opt in will not >> be affected because any additions to the web app manifest will be optional. >> Browser behavior will also not be affected if there are no installed apps >> that opt in. Browser that do not support this feature will not be adversely >> affected by new members in the web app manifest. >> >> >> >> *Gecko*: No signal ( >> https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/550 >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmozilla%2Fstandards-positions%2Fissues%2F550&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210525521%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=1EaRSlmt1dZl8hRYT7gRyRT9xnAJB7nnCW0BQiJ9tUY%3D&reserved=0> >> ) >> >> *WebKit*: No signal ( >> https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2021-July/031920.html >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.webkit.org%2Fpipermail%2Fwebkit-dev%2F2021-July%2F031920.html&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210535513%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=lSGfPpRkz350tCWLkAshaNym4aH5duKPMeMfNNZuyRQ%3D&reserved=0> >> ) >> >> *Web developers*: Positive ( >> https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/discussions/click-url-to-open-pwa-automatically/m-p/2192994 >> >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftechcommunity.microsoft.com%2Ft5%2Fdiscussions%2Fclick-url-to-open-pwa-automatically%2Fm-p%2F2192994&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210545510%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=MmQtFn%2BW2zmzW7ce4B5r7C8ncn1IxlVNaJKhaKZsMBw%3D&reserved=0> >> ) >> Security >> >> >> https://github.com/WICG/pwa-url-handler/blob/main/explainer.md#security-considerations >> >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FWICG%2Fpwa-url-handler%2Fblob%2Fmain%2Fexplainer.md%23security-considerations&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210555507%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=dHsvfZM8RkJYtm9jd0bcbuOlcwuyubISIZfvlFU31%2F0%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> Goals for experimentation >> >> Allow third party developers to use the API and provide feedback. >> >> >> Reason this experiment is being extended >> >> N/A, not extending. >> >> >> Ongoing technical constraints >> >> None >> >> >> Debuggability >> >> Debug functionality will be added to the the DevTools(F12) Application >> pane. >> >> >> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows, Mac, >> Linux, Chrome OS, Android, and Android WebView)? >> >> No >> >> Supported in the browser on Windows, Mac, and Linux. Integration with OS >> features will vary. >> >> >> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests >> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fchromium.googlesource.com%2Fchromium%2Fsrc%2F%2B%2Fmaster%2Fdocs%2Ftesting%2Fweb_platform_tests.md&data=04%7C01%7CMandy.Chen%40microsoft.com%7C7f07a80e0939405a5f3008d94768e9b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637619338210555507%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=qS12G91ULF%2BcnRagiFh%2FGNKLIIiNfAmCf7LMyfqljO8%3D&reserved=0> >> ? >> >> No >> DevTrial instructions >> >> https://web.dev/pwa-url-handler/ >> 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