Is this shipping in 105? Please add that to the status entry. Joe Medley | Technical Writer, Chrome DevRel | jmed...@google.com | 816-678-7195 *If an API's not documented it doesn't exist.*
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 2:03 AM Hayato Ito <hay...@chromium.org> wrote: > Thanks all, for your support and the LGTMs. > > I appreciate the API owners, the Mozilla folks and the others, who > reviewed this feature carefully and gave us the advice to make this feature > interoperable and be an important step on future improvements on the Web > Platform. > > I'll continue to invest in standards. Thanks! > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 2:11 PM Yoav Weiss <yoavwe...@chromium.org> wrote: > >> LGTM3 >> >> I was similarly convinced by the team's efforts and by various folks >> chiming in that this has a good chance of reaching eventual interop on its >> own. The use cases this tackles span origin isolation, delivery and >> performance (despite the lack of cache awareness in the current version), >> and I'm hopeful that this would be an important stepping stone on which >> future improvements will be built. Thanks!! >> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:15 AM Chris Harrelson <chris...@chromium.org> >> wrote: >> >>> LGTM2 >>> >>> Web bundles team: thank you for your thoroughness in responding to >>> concerns raised in the TAG review, Mozilla standards position, and various >>> offline conversations. I also appreciate those who weighed in on the thread >>> with additional sites that would use this feature, and the multiple use >>> cases mentioned. >>> >>> At first, I was concerned about the risk of not achieving eventual >>> interoperability, because of the limited data from experimenting sites and >>> mixed or possibly negative signals from other browser vendors. The >>> additional data mentioned above, on top of the existing ads-related use >>> case from the original intent, and coupled with my belief that the team >>> will continue to invest in standards in this area, leads me to conclude >>> that this feature is worth shipping now. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 8:37 AM Alex Russell <slightly...@chromium.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> There are high-scale operational challenges to distributing content >>>> optimally in many scenarios (e.g., Store packaged first-run or >>>> out-of-the-box-experiences) that need more than what Service Workers alone >>>> can provide. We are positive about this technology because it can help >>>> address those problems and open up new product opportunities (that we >>>> cannot say more about). >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:26:28 AM UTC-7 bema...@microsoft.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >> You could have used a service worker and cache things in order to >>>>> get the same thing, combined with progressive web applications for >>>>> installability. >>>>> >>>>> This is true, but I think ergonomics of an encapsulated >>>>> page/application make it easier to reason about for very large >>>>> applications. Maintaining the service worker and the cache at scale can >>>>> become a barrier to entry for some developers and applications. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:12:33 AM UTC-7 PhistucK wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Not that I am against, but does this unlock previously locked >>>>>> opportunities in the specific examples you just mentioned? >>>>>> You could have used a service worker and cache things in order to get >>>>>> the same thing, combined with progressive web applications for >>>>>> installability. >>>>>> >>>>>> ☆*PhistucK* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 4:35 PM 'Ben Mathwig' via blink-dev < >>>>>> blin...@chromium.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Microsoft has a strong interest in seeing this feature ship. We >>>>>>> believe that sub-resource bundling is opening the door to a new way of >>>>>>> shipping and delivering offline web applications, changing the >>>>>>> traditional >>>>>>> definition of “web application”. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here are some ways Microsoft products can take advantage of this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *PowerApps* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Microsoft PowerApps allows a developer to author an application and >>>>>>> deploy to iOS, Android, and the web. The first two platforms allow >>>>>>> applications to be deployed and used when the device is offline, but the >>>>>>> latter is currently not “installable” on the device. Web bundling could >>>>>>> unlock the capability for a web application to be “installed” on a >>>>>>> device >>>>>>> to operate offline. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Office Online* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Office productivity web applications are a perfect example of >>>>>>> applications that could benefit from a packaged bundle of application >>>>>>> resources. Combined with local storage APIs, this could help developers >>>>>>> reach communities that have little to no network connectivity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While there have been concerns brought up by the community, we >>>>>>> welcome the opportunity to collaborate on addressing these issues in the >>>>>>> next iteration of this project. We feel confident we can resolve them >>>>>>> in a >>>>>>> way that preserves the integrity of the open web. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ben Mathwig >>>>>>> Senior Product Manager >>>>>>> Microsoft Edge Web Platform >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 6:28:50 PM UTC-7 deno...@chromium.org >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am sharing the feedback from the Origin Trial with 12 >>>>>>>> participants: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 10 of them responded "Extremely likely" to "How likely are you >>>>>>>> to keep using this feature?" >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Qualitative feedback: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "I'm very excited about the CSP interpretation change rolling >>>>>>>> out in M92" >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "looking forward to the CSP fix!" >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "I'm very glad you're working on this!" >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "This feature is great! I'd love to see it fully launch" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Daisuke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 5:38 AM 'Jeff Kaufman' via blink-dev < >>>>>>>> blin...@chromium.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Otto! As someone who used to work on mod_pagespeed I >>>>>>>>> wanted to give a bit more context on how web bundles improve on what >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> possible for automatic site optimization tools like mod_pagesped: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. Combining many small images into a single file otherwise >>>>>>>>> requires spriting (with css to identify which area of the image you >>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>> for each usage) and mod_pagespeed's ability to do that automatically >>>>>>>>> (sprite_images >>>>>>>>> filter <https://www.modpagespeed.com/doc/filter-image-sprite>) is >>>>>>>>> limited. It needs to understand the site's css and the publisher >>>>>>>>> needs to >>>>>>>>> have already set their css up to minimize the changes required. With >>>>>>>>> bundles it is much simpler: you put all the tiny image files in the >>>>>>>>> bundle, >>>>>>>>> and you rewrite the URLs to point into the bundle. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2. Combining many small css or js files into a single file ( >>>>>>>>> combine_css <https://www.modpagespeed.com/doc/filter-css-combine> >>>>>>>>> , combine_js <https://www.modpagespeed.com/doc/filter-js-combine>) >>>>>>>>> requires hacks to prevent invalid css or js from breaking the rest. >>>>>>>>> It's >>>>>>>>> reasonably common that publishers will have <link rel=stylesheet >>>>>>>>> href=invalid.css> that doesn't parse, and if you blindly concatenate >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> other css you will change the layout on the page. Since automatic site >>>>>>>>> optimization tools like mod_pagespeed want to make the site load >>>>>>>>> faster >>>>>>>>> without making any changes to how the site looks, that isn't >>>>>>>>> acceptable. >>>>>>>>> Same issue with js. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3. Today you need to have separate files for combined images, css, >>>>>>>>> and js. With web bundles there can be just one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 1:11:16 PM UTC-4 Otto van der Schaaf >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As a maintainer of mod_pagespeed <https://www.modpagespeed.com/>, >>>>>>>>>> I would love to see this ship. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:42:15 PM UTC+2 slightlyoff via >>>>>>>>>> Chromestatus wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would like to see this ship ASAP. 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