LGTM1 % filing a WebKit position We discussed this intent at the API owner meeting (Rick, Chris, Daniel, MikeT, Philip,, Alex and myself). We agreed that there's value in filing a WebKit position issue here, if anything to put this on their radar (pun not intended) and let them know we intend to ship this and that Gecko already has.
I also wish we had some developer signal for this, but given the fact Gecko already shipped, I won't block on it. On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:37 PM Philip Jägenstedt <foo...@chromium.org> wrote: > I think this feature falls under Implementations of already-defined > consensus-based standards > <https://www.chromium.org/blink/launching-features/#process-existing-standard> > in our process, and Signals from other implementations in an > intent-to-ship > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xkHRXnFS8GDqZi7E0SSbR3a7CZsGScdxPUWBsNgo-oo/edit?usp=sharing> > aren't > part of that section. > > If this wasn't already shipped in Gecko I do agree with Alex that the spec > status shouldn't carry a lot of weight and we should file standards > positions, but I don't think our documented process backs up that > preference. > > Anyway, this has already shipped in Gecko, and I don't think we need to > file a standards position issue for WebKit. > > In other words, I'd be happy to LGTM this, but will abstain since Daniil > is on my team. > > On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 6:49 PM Alex Russell <slightly...@chromium.org> > wrote: > >> Our history with the WebKit project suggests that imputations of implicit >> consent are unwelcome, and so in addition to the general orientation of our >> process towards explicit evidence, it is in the interest of respecting the >> WebKitten's own preferences that we ask formally. >> >> Best, >> >> Alex >> >> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 8:33:26 PM UTC-8 flo...@rivoal.net wrote: >> >>> >>> On 4Mar 2023, at 5:59, Alex Russell <slightly...@chromium.org> wrote: >>> >>> Our process does not pay much mind to arbitrary standards gates when >>> others have not already shipped. If WebKit had (has?) implemented, that >>> would shortcut our analysis, otherwise, it's still worth asking. >>> >>> >>> The point is not about what the W3C Process say you can do at what >>> stage, the point is that for a CSS spec to get to CR, there needs to be a >>> sign off from the groups’ members that this is OK to ship. This is not as >>> strong as “we want to ship this ourselves soon”, but this is stronger than >>> “no signal”, as was stated earlier. >>> >>> This may be true in other groups, but it is especially true in the >>> CSSWG, which includes all the browsers, and has an explicit policy that >>> publishing something as a CR means we have consensus it is OK to ship it. >>> https://www.w3.org/TR/css/#testing >>> >>> So my read of webkit’s position would be: “has indicated support for the >>> feature being shipped in general, unclear when they intend to do so >>> themselves”. It’s absolutely reasonable to ask webkit if you’re looking for >>> something more firm that than (or more recent, or…), but I think it is >>> worth noting you at least have that much. >>> >>> —Florian >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "blink-dev" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/f709d52b-46ba-4390-b307-cda73990db1en%40chromium.org >> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/f709d52b-46ba-4390-b307-cda73990db1en%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "blink-dev" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAARdPYdxZ5_MvS-gB5mZKE8-zL8rr1FmH%2BghJwUR3iuQGjeiOA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAARdPYdxZ5_MvS-gB5mZKE8-zL8rr1FmH%2BghJwUR3iuQGjeiOA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "blink-dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAL5BFfV5qJG%2BnyOnFNj9m3CikQCv-0T2EW1HCOofrhyXF1QURA%40mail.gmail.com.