LGTM1 % filing a WebKit position

We discussed this intent at the API owner meeting (Rick, Chris, Daniel,
MikeT, Philip,, Alex and myself). We agreed that there's value in filing a
WebKit position issue here, if anything to put this on their radar (pun not
intended) and let them know we intend to ship this and that Gecko already
has.

I also wish we had some developer signal for this, but given the fact Gecko
already shipped, I won't block on it.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:37 PM Philip Jägenstedt <foo...@chromium.org>
wrote:

> I think this feature falls under Implementations of already-defined
> consensus-based standards
> <https://www.chromium.org/blink/launching-features/#process-existing-standard>
> in our process, and Signals from other implementations in an
> intent-to-ship
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xkHRXnFS8GDqZi7E0SSbR3a7CZsGScdxPUWBsNgo-oo/edit?usp=sharing>
>  aren't
> part of that section.
>
> If this wasn't already shipped in Gecko I do agree with Alex that the spec
> status shouldn't carry a lot of weight and we should file standards
> positions, but I don't think our documented process backs up that
> preference.
>
> Anyway, this has already shipped in Gecko, and I don't think we need to
> file a standards position issue for WebKit.
>
> In other words, I'd be happy to LGTM this, but will abstain since Daniil
> is on my team.
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 6:49 PM Alex Russell <slightly...@chromium.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Our history with the WebKit project suggests that imputations of implicit
>> consent are unwelcome, and so in addition to the general orientation of our
>> process towards explicit evidence, it is in the interest of respecting the
>> WebKitten's own preferences that we ask formally.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 8:33:26 PM UTC-8 flo...@rivoal.net wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 4Mar 2023, at 5:59, Alex Russell <slightly...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Our process does not pay much mind to arbitrary standards gates when
>>> others have not already shipped. If WebKit had (has?) implemented, that
>>> would shortcut our analysis, otherwise, it's still worth asking.
>>>
>>>
>>> The point is not about what the W3C Process say you can do at what
>>> stage, the point is that for a CSS spec to get to CR, there needs to be a
>>> sign off from the groups’ members that this is OK to ship. This is not as
>>> strong as “we want to ship this ourselves soon”, but this is stronger than
>>> “no signal”, as was stated earlier.
>>>
>>> This may be true in other groups, but it is especially true in the
>>> CSSWG, which includes all the browsers, and has an explicit policy that
>>> publishing something as a CR means we have consensus it is OK to ship it.
>>> https://www.w3.org/TR/css/#testing
>>>
>>> So my read of webkit’s position would be: “has indicated support for the
>>> feature being shipped in general, unclear when they intend to do so
>>> themselves”. It’s absolutely reasonable to ask webkit if you’re looking for
>>> something more firm that than (or more recent, or…), but I think it is
>>> worth noting you at least have that much.
>>>
>>> —Florian
>>>
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