Hi Deomid, Thanks for the contribution! Do you know if chromium has any metrics on how common digest auth is? I took a quick look and didn't find one myself. +David Benjamin <david...@chromium.org> also. Technically all new APIs (which includes protocols) require a killswitch flag <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/flag_guarding_guidelines.md#When-is-a-flag-required> since we've seen even new APIs break websites sometimes (eg. in this case presumably it would be from a misconfigured server). But if we have data showing the usage of digest auth is small / insignificant enough, I'd personally be receptive to an argument that that is unnecessary extra bureaucracy.
Also it would be nice to know if WebKit has an opinion on this, could you file a position request <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xkHRXnFS8GDqZi7E0SSbR3a7CZsGScdxPUWBsNgo-oo/edit#heading=h.tgzhprxcmw4u> please? Thanks, Rick On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 3:31 PM Deomid "rojer" Ryabkov <ro...@rojer.me> wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > I do not anticipate immediate impact. By and large, this is not currently > used because the most popular browser engine doesn't support it. So people > just use MD5, as in the bad old days. > If we ship this tomorrow, nothing changes: servers still send legacy MD5 > challenges, which we continue to support. > As awareness of SHA-256 support by Chrome/Blink-based browser spreads, I > expect service administrators to gradually start transitioning away from > MD5. > The RFC specifies use of multiple algorithm challenges by sending multiple > WWW-Authenticate headers, so there's a good transition path there for > service admins (send both SHA-256 and MD5 challenges, phase out MD5 > eventually). > I verified that with my current code this works as specified (order of > headers specifies server's preference). > Firefox already supports SHA-256, so there's already a capable browser in > the wild, but since it's a minority there isn't much use yet. > As far as deviating from Firefox in also supporting SHA-512-256 and > userhashing, it's again a no-op initially: these won't be used unless > servers explicitly specify that they can be used (for example, for lighttpd > there's an explicit option to enable username hashing, off by default). > If Firefox catches up and also implements these, then we might start > seeing adoption. > > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 at 11:18, Daniel Bratell <bratel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am missing the compatibility picture here. How will this affect >> existing web pages, and what happens to browsers that do not support this >> is we add support? >> >> /Daniel >> On 2023-06-20 18:13, Deomid "rojer" Ryabkov wrote: >> >> Contact emails roj...@gmail.com >> >> Explainer None >> >> Specification https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7616 >> >> Summary >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7616 specifies SHA-256 and >> SHA-512-256 algorithms for the HTTP digest authentication scheme, in >> addition to the obsolete and insecure MD5. It also specifies way of >> concealing the username, provided that server supports it. Firefox supports >> algorithm=SHA-256 since 93, but not SHA-512-256 or username hashing. >> https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/4611879 is the >> pending CL. >> >> >> Blink component Blink>Network >> <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component:Blink%3ENetwork> >> >> TAG review None >> >> TAG review status Not applicable >> >> Risks >> >> >> Interoperability and Compatibility >> >> *Gecko*: Shipped/Shipping ( >> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472823) >> >> *WebKit*: No signal >> >> *Web developers*: No signals >> >> *Other signals*: >> >> WebView application risks >> >> Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such that >> it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based applications? >> >> >> Debuggability >> >> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows, Mac, >> Linux, Chrome OS, Android, and Android WebView)? Yes >> >> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests >> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md> >> ? No >> >> Flag name >> >> Requires code in //chrome? False >> >> Tracking bug >> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1160478 >> >> Estimated milestones >> Shipping on desktop 116 >> Shipping on Android 116 >> >> Anticipated spec changes >> >> Open questions about a feature may be a source of future web compat or >> interop issues. 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