Any updates on this? :)

On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 10:48 AM Javier Garcia Visiedo <visi...@chromium.org>
wrote:

> I was targeting M116, which is aligned with what Firefox indicated.
> However, other browsers are yet to confirm their timeline, and they have
> indicated they might need more time, which makes 116 unrealistic if we want
> to get other browsers in addition to Firefox onboard.
>
> Regarding the outreach plan, we haven't discussed it in detail, but I
> imagine it'd be something like blog posts from each vendor, in addition to
> the existing warnings on the developer tools.
>
> I'll come back once I get more details from the remaining vendors.
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 8:07 PM Yoav Weiss <yoavwe...@chromium.org> wrote:
>
>> I'd be supportive of a coordinated change, given that popular 3P outreach
>> was successful, and 1P use is unlikely to result in user visible breakage.
>> What's the timeline you have in mind? What's the outreach plan to make
>> developers aware of this upcoming change?
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 7:03:34 PM UTC+2 vis...@google.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I've got a positive response from the two 3P APIs  (relatively
>>> popular). One case is already solved and in production, the second one,
>>> responsible for a huge increase on the UKM entries from February - March is
>>> solved and testing right now.
>>>
>>> However, I believe we still want to coordinate the launch with other
>>> browsers. Discussions are ongoing in this sense, and so far Firefox
>>> confirmed they are in a similar situation, code complete and ready to ship
>>> if / when we are.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 10:57 PM Mike Taylor <miketa...@chromium.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Javier,
>>>>
>>>> On 4/5/23 5:54 AM, Javier Garcia Visiedo wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For these visual elements, are there any common threads that you could
>>>>> notice? E.g. Any common 3P providers?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  In all cases I've seen, these are 1P requests of the form
>>>> https://foo.example to https://api.foo.example/api/v1/blah. I've not
>>>> found many sites with these visual element impacts, so I've been trying
>>>> to contact them. So far with no luck.
>>>>
>>>> I guess the same question also applies to the non-visual breakage. (you
>>>>> mentioned analytics and personalization providers)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These account for the majority of the cases I found, and all but 2 of
>>>> them are 1P.
>>>>
>>>> I have identified two cases of 3P which are quite relevant, and have
>>>> just made contact with them. I will provide an update once I receive
>>>> feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Any luck hearing back from these sites?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 1:35 AM Yoav Weiss <yoavwe...@chromium.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 11:01 AM Yoav Weiss <yoavwe...@chromium.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:32 AM Javier Garcia Visiedo <
>>>>>> visi...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your quick reply Yoav,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please find my answers inline.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:35:32 PM UTC+9 Yoav Weiss wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you so much, Javier! :) That's some great analysis!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 7:51 AM Javier Garcia Visiedo <
>>>>>>> visi...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please find the summary of my findings, after analyzing the UKM data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Currently, the UKM data shows 2,087 distinct domains (eTLD+1)
>>>>>>> sending a wildcard for ACAH and/or ACAO in response to a credentialled
>>>>>>> request. The UKM data is not good at showing events over time, but the 
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> counter
>>>>>>> <https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/3873>
>>>>>>> indicates the feature use is currently at 0.12% of total page loads, and
>>>>>>> the monthly average of page loads has been steadily increasing since the
>>>>>>> introduction of the use counter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Out of the 2,087 domains found in the UKM, the top one accounts for
>>>>>>> 39.24% of the total navigations in the UKM (54% within top 20 sites), 
>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>> this feature. The user experience is not visibly impacted for this 
>>>>>>> site, as
>>>>>>> CORS is blocking calls to a publisher.Ads are displayed properly, so
>>>>>>> apparently the blocked calls are impacting some kind of targeted ads 
>>>>>>> API.
>>>>>>> This site came into the data set for the first time in March 2023, and 
>>>>>>> it’s
>>>>>>> very popular, so we expect to observe a big bump on the use counter from
>>>>>>> now on. This site is an outlier in terms of traffic volume, compared to
>>>>>>> other sites present in the UKM, and given the lack of Ux impact we 
>>>>>>> decided
>>>>>>> to exclude it from the analysis presented below, to get a better
>>>>>>> representation for the rest of the sites.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Excluding the top site, we tested the next top 20 domains in number
>>>>>>> of navigations using this feature, accounting for 42% of the total
>>>>>>> navigation in the UKM. In addition to this, we sampled the long tail 
>>>>>>> for 11
>>>>>>> more sites randomly, for an additional 3,4% of the total navigation in 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> UKM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Extrapolating data from the sampling, we classified sites in the
>>>>>>> following categories:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    No Ux impact: 94.85% of the navigations are free from visible
>>>>>>>    user experience impacts. In most cases, CORS policy is blocking 
>>>>>>> calls to
>>>>>>>    personalization or analytics APIs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "CORS policy" here refers to the status quo before this feature
>>>>>>> ships?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, these calls are blocked when activating the feature
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, ok. So these may have invisible breakage, that results in some
>>>>>> ancillary service failure, but that users are unlikely to notice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Impact to critical functionality, overall experience, log-in,
>>>>>>>    etc.: 2.6%
>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Impact to ancillary elements being blocked by CORS policy, such
>>>>>>>    as ads or widgets not essential to the overall page functionality: 
>>>>>>> 2.55%
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Putting these numbers in context of the total page loads reported by
>>>>>>> the use counter, 0,0062% of the total page loads experience some UX
>>>>>>> regression due to the introduction of this feature. Of these, 0,0031% 
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> unusable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We reached out to the site owners with Ux impacts, and we were able
>>>>>>> to confirm that 100% of the sites identified to have critical impact 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> already migrated out of this feature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a bit higher than what we're typically comfortable with, but
>>>>>>> it's great to hear that sites you reach out to react quickly.
>>>>>>> How much of that impact was in the top 20 (where we can reasonably
>>>>>>> reach out) vs. the long tail (where it'd be significantly harder to
>>>>>>> communicate things beyond deprecation logs and reports)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For sites with high impact (already addressed) 100% were found in
>>>>>>> the top 20.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's very reassuring, thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For sites where some visual elements are blocked, 55% (1.48% of
>>>>>>> total navigations registered in the UKM for this feature) are part of 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> top 20, 45% in the long tail, with 1.07% of total navigations in the 
>>>>>>> UKM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> For these visual elements, are there any common threads that you could
>>>>> notice? E.g. Any common 3P providers?
>>>>> I guess the same question also applies to the non-visual breakage.
>>>>> (you mentioned analytics and personalization providers)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy to further clarify the data if needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Javier
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 2:49:30 PM UTC+9 Yoav Weiss wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Javier!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The benefits of UKM is that it can give us a list of URLs that have
>>>>>>> some breakage potential. The laternative is to cross the usecounter with
>>>>>>> HTTPArchive data, but that has a strong bias towards homepages, so may 
>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>> a lot of pages that require a login and are not the homepage. With a 
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> accurate list of URLs, we'd be able to better assess the usage and
>>>>>>> potential breakage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers :)
>>>>>>> Yoav
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 3:52 AM Javier Garcia Visiedo <
>>>>>>> visi...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I am starting a UKM collection review to opt in the existing use
>>>>>>> counter
>>>>>>> <https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/3873>
>>>>>>> into an UKM. Sorry if my question is too naive, I just wanted to 
>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>> what benefits would the UKM add over the existing use counter? Or is it 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> intention to add additional metrics to it? Thanks!
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Javier
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 1:33:19 AM UTC+9 Chris Harrelson
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, just checking in on this intent. From the API owners'
>>>>>>> perspective, we're going to wait for the UKM, thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:41 AM Yutaka Hirano <yhir...@chromium.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Yoav,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for the suggestions. I'll try to add UKM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > One other question that came up: Is the usage related to
>>>>>>> developers adding the "Authorization" header on their own, or is it
>>>>>>> something the browser sends under certain circumstances? (e.g. when
>>>>>>> receiving 401 responses with "WWW-Autenticate" headers)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is only for authorization headers set by scripts (via fetch()
>>>>>>> and XHR). Authorization headers the browser attaches are out of scope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 2:15 AM Yoav Weiss <yoavwe...@chromium.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Yutaka!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We discussed this at the API owners meeting today (Daniel, Chris,
>>>>>>> Alex, MikeT and myself).
>>>>>>> It seems like the risk here is too high to remove support as is, and
>>>>>>> a reasonable next step may be to add the metric to UKM and get a more
>>>>>>> detailed view of which sites are using it and how. That would enable us 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> better assess breakage, and reach out to those sites to reduce current
>>>>>>> usage until potential breakage reaches acceptable levels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One other question that came up: Is the usage related to developers
>>>>>>> adding the "Authorization" header on their own, or is it something the
>>>>>>> browser sends under certain circumstances? (e.g. when receiving 401
>>>>>>> responses with "WWW-Autenticate" headers)
>>>>>>> Would renaming the headers used in such authentication protocols be
>>>>>>> a useful alternative to consider? I'm guessing that doing that would
>>>>>>> require server changes as well, so won't necessarily help with cases of
>>>>>>> existing content, but may help to move newer auth flows to make safer 
>>>>>>> CORS
>>>>>>> choices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers :)
>>>>>>> Yoav
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 12:17:40 PM UTC+1 Yutaka Hirano
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've been showing a deprecation message since 94
>>>>>>> <https://chromiumdash.appspot.com/commit/9a817d69a132822ddf2954120e96a3efa2290071>.
>>>>>>> Sadly the deprecation message hasn't decreased the usage so far.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 1:52 AM Mike West <mk...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From my perspective, it's a bit worrying that you found user-visible
>>>>>>> breakage in a random sampling of the otherwise small number of sites 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> fall into this category. As Yoav suggested, there's some additional
>>>>>>> likelihood that we're not seeing some breakage that requires sign-in. It
>>>>>>> might be worthwhile to raise a deprecation warning for this behavior, 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> remove it after giving developers some time to adjust, perhaps with an
>>>>>>> enterprise policy for good measure. I'd be happy with a 3-release 
>>>>>>> timeline,
>>>>>>> with removal thereafter. That might drive the usage down to the point 
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> we can reasonably remove it. If it doesn't, we might need to do some 
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> research (wiring this counter up to UKM, for instance) to see if we can
>>>>>>> track down more clear sources of potential breakage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 6:56:40 AM UTC+1 Yutaka Hirano
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 12:29 AM Yoav Weiss <yoavwe...@chromium.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 4:00 PM Yutaka Hirano <yhir...@chromium.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for the delay!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I checked 10 sites. I saw console errors in three sites among them:
>>>>>>>  1. https://cchatty.com/
>>>>>>>  2. https://techrxiv.org/
>>>>>>>  3. https://bodyshake.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I only see a visible breakage in 1 (cards in the main panel are
>>>>>>> invisible). On other sites I don't see any visible differences.
>>>>>>> Please note that this feature is related to authorization so it is
>>>>>>> likely to break things when signing in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So it's possible that the breakage only occurs for logged in users,
>>>>>>> and is not something you'd be able to see when spot checking their 
>>>>>>> homepage?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I think so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 8:11 PM Yoav Weiss <yoavwe...@chromium.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Friendly ping on Chris' question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 8:31:36 PM UTC+1 Chris Harrelson
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would it be feasible to get a random list of 10-20 sites that hit
>>>>>>> the use counter and see if they are broken badly by this feature?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:54 AM Yutaka Hirano <yhir...@chromium.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (friendly ping)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 1:57 PM Yutaka Hirano <yhir...@chromium.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for the feedback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you have concrete steps for the investigation in your mind?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 4:30 AM Mike West <mk...@chromium.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it's reasonable for us to dig into the data a little bit to
>>>>>>> determine whether the 0.04% number quoted above will result in 
>>>>>>> user-facing
>>>>>>> breakage. Yutaka, is that something you'd be willing to dig into?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The direction seems philosophically correct to me, so I'd like to
>>>>>>> see it ship, but I'd also like to make sure we're not making the web 
>>>>>>> worse
>>>>>>> for users by doing so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 12:04 PM Yutaka Hirano <yhir...@chromium.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:25 PM Yoav Weiss <yoavwe...@chromium.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 9:55 AM Yutaka Hirano <yhir...@chromium.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (The implementation CL
>>>>>>> <https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/3226283>
>>>>>>> is under review. This intent is written as if it's landed.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Contact emailsyhir...@chromium.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Specificationhttps://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/
>>>>>>> #cors-non-wildcard-request-header-name
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Summary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A CORS non-wildcard request header[1] is an HTTP request header
>>>>>>> which is not covered by the wildcard symbol ("*") in the
>>>>>>> access-control-allow-headers header. "authorization" is the only member 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> CORS non-wildcard request-header. Currently we treat the header as a 
>>>>>>> usual
>>>>>>> header, which is problematic for security reasons. Implement it, and 
>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>> the current behavior. 1: https://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/
>>>>>>> #cors-non-wildcard-request-header-name
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blink componentBlink>SecurityFeature>CORS
>>>>>>> <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component:Blink%3ESecurityFeature%3ECORS>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TAG reviewNot needed because this implements an existing feature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TAG review statusNot applicable
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Risks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interoperability and Compatibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interoperability risk is low because Mozilla and Apple showed an
>>>>>>> intent to implement this behavior. There is some compatibility risk, as 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> use counter[2] shows 0.04% websites would be affected. To mitigate the
>>>>>>> risk, we've shown a deprecation message for a few milestones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you similarly send deprecation reports as well? How long have
>>>>>>> the deprecation messages been in place? Did we see any decline in the
>>>>>>> numbers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've shown the deprecation message since Chrome 94
>>>>>>> <https://chromiumdash.appspot.com/commit/9a817d69a132822ddf2954120e96a3efa2290071>
>>>>>>>  whose
>>>>>>> beta promotion was on Aug 26 and stable release was on Sep 21.
>>>>>>> We use CountDeprecation which sends deprecation reports
>>>>>>> automatically IIUC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't see any decline.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have we looked into which URLs are triggering this? (and if it's a
>>>>>>> few medium-sized properties or many tiny ones)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I haven't looked at the data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did we try outreach?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have an enterprise policy so that administrators can keep the
>>>>>>> existing behavior. We're planning to remove the policy on Chrome 103. 2:
>>>>>>> https://www.chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/popularity#
>>>>>>> AuthorizationCoveredByWildcard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gecko: Positive Firefox showed a positive signal in a private
>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WebKit: Positive Apple showed a positive signal in a private thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Web developers: No signals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Debuggability
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We'll show a CORS error to the devtools console.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests
>>>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md>
>>>>>>> ?Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Flag nameCorsNonWildcardRequestHeadersSupport
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Requires code in //chrome?False (or, True only for the enterprise
>>>>>>> policy.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tracking bughttps://crbug.com/1176753
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Estimated milestones
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 97
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Statushttps://chromestatus.com/
>>>>>>> feature/5742041264816128
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