> Scroll To Text Fragment is a web feature that can be used to make a
useful experience, or a not so useful experience. Like animations or funny
fonts. That the feature can be used badly is not in itself a reason to
remove it (and few people want to support badly tested customization
flags).

But there *are* flags to disable features that interfere with
accessibility. Animations can be disabled,
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/prefers-reduced-motion,
and colour schemes can be modified
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/prefers-color-scheme
.

I don't think "bad websites exist, so that means bad browser features are
okay" is a convincing argument.


On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 at 18:06, Daniel Bratell <bratel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I see what you mean since I've also ended up with highlighted text that is
> very unhelpful, but I think that you are directing your annoyance at the
> wrong party.
>
> Scroll To Text Fragment is a web feature that can be used to make a useful
> experience, or a not so useful experience. Like animations or funny fonts.
> That the feature can be used badly is not in itself a reason to remove it
> (and few people want to support badly tested customization flags).
>
> Instead I think that you should try to reach the people the use it in a
> bad way. If we're talking Google Search, I know that can be hard, but maybe
> you can find a way.
>
> Alternatively, if you have a suggestion for how to make it better (turning
> it off doesn't make the feature better but good try), I think there are
> places to voice those ideas in connection to Blink. In specification forums
> or as feature requests.
> There also seems to be at least one browser extension that claims that it
> does something: "Disable Google Search Text Highlights". Maybe it works.
>
> /Daniel
>
>
> On 2024-03-28 17:19, B. Blank wrote:
>
>
>    - ok... So to chime in here. Not sure the best way to reach the folks
>    who created this functionality. There needs to be a way to turn this
>    feature off. It's been distracting and annoying for a couple of years now,
>    and any flag or setting to turn it off is gone. Why isn't there a way to
>    disable this highlighting of text? Come on. Really?
>
> Sorry.
> Please!
>
> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 8:25:35 AM UTC-5 Mike Taylor wrote:
>
>> If you believe you've found a bug, please file a new issue at
>> crbug.com/new. This is not a support forum.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Mike
>> On 1/17/24 7:30 PM, Adam Semenenko wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately the opt-out feature no longer seems to work, and now Chrome
>> is randomly highlighting text and scrolling halfway through a page even
>> when no highlighting was requested.
>>
>> The colours are getting even more garish over time too.
>>
>> Is there any other way to disable the highlighting?
>>
>> On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 09:53, Adam Semenenko <adam.se...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, this is just an email isn't it? The thread was closed. I've heard
>>> many things from different people, but I'm still experiencing the problem.
>>> I'm not sure who any of you are either, is there some sort of guide for
>>> who's in charge of who I can email? It'd be nice if the OP was could reply
>>> to their thread, instead of just cherry picking praise and running away
>>> with an idea that could be improved.
>>>
>>> It's not a Chrome product feedback by the way, as I understand there's
>>> the same problem in other browsers.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 19 Oct 2023, 06:04 K. Moon, <km...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please stop posting this kind of feedback to this thread; you've been
>>>> informed multiple times by multiple individuals that this is not the right
>>>> forum for Chrome product feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Continuing to persist in doing so may lead to intervention, like
>>>> blocking your ability to post entirely.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 10:15 PM Adam Semenenko <adam.se...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's another example of useless and distracting highlighting. What
>>>>> is it about the first two sentences that need highlighting? Is their
>>>>> position not significant enough?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, 11:40 Adam Semenenko, <adam.se...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it still not possible to disable this distraction yet? I found a
>>>>>> wonderfully ironic example today - see attached screenshot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There seem to be only two ways that this feature is used:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. The first sentence of a page is highlighted, which is completely
>>>>>> redundant and patronising. Yes Chrome, thank you for highlighting the 
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> first sentence. However could I cope without you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. A random sentence halfway through the page is highlighted. This is
>>>>>> never what I want: I always want to read the page so that I can 
>>>>>> understand
>>>>>> the sentence in context.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 5 May 2021, 06:40 Adam Semenenko, <adam.se...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you know if there's a consistent and easy way to disable this
>>>>>>> yet? It's really distracting for me. When I google something and click 
>>>>>>> on a
>>>>>>> result, I like consistent behaviour and to see the whole page from the
>>>>>>> start. I feel disrupted when I'm randomly dropped into the middle of a 
>>>>>>> page
>>>>>>> with a garish colour jumping out at me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 21:54, 'Grant Wang' via blink-dev <
>>>>>>> blin...@chromium.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It’s been roughly nine months since we first utilized Scroll To
>>>>>>>> Text Fragment in featured snippets in Google Search. In that time, 
>>>>>>>> we’ve
>>>>>>>> seen that Scroll To Text Fragment links help us towards our goal to get
>>>>>>>> users the information they need.  In particular:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    1. We find that Scroll To Text Fragment links increase
>>>>>>>>    engagement -- users are less likely to visit a page and then 
>>>>>>>> quickly hit
>>>>>>>>    the back button, because they can more readily understand how 
>>>>>>>> relevant the
>>>>>>>>    page is to their search after arriving at the page.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    2. In user surveys, we find that users prefer being scrolled to
>>>>>>>>    the relevant section of a page that’s in a featured snippet. Users 
>>>>>>>> who were
>>>>>>>>    scrolled to the relevant section preferred the experience at a rate 
>>>>>>>> of 2:1;
>>>>>>>>    even users who were not scrolled in the control group preferred the 
>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>    of being scrolled to the relevant section at the same 2:1 rate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Besides their usage on Google Search, we’ve noticed scroll to text
>>>>>>>> fragments links during our crawls of the web.  One of the best use 
>>>>>>>> cases
>>>>>>>> has been wikipedia citations.  For instance, citation 9
>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Cup_%28greyhounds%29#:~:text=%22How%20the%20Cup%20Was%20Won%22.%20Sandown%20Greyhounds.%20Retrieved%2017%20March%202021.>
>>>>>>>> on this page:
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Cup_(greyhounds) provides
>>>>>>>> the detailed attribution to the fastest-ever time at the Melbourne Cup.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Grant
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 12:24:40 PM UTC-8
>>>>>>>> sligh...@chromium.org wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LGTM4
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 12:17:49 PM UTC-8, Daniel
>>>>>>>>> Bratell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LGTM3
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 12 December 2019 19:45:38 UTC+1, Chris Harrelson
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LGTM2
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:27 PM Yoav Weiss <yo...@yoav.ws>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LGTM1
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019, 22:03 Nick Burris <nbu...@chromium.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We feel that we're now in good shape for shipping. We have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressed all of the shipping blockers that I listed in my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous email,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the corresponding implementation changes have landed in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chrome. We're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still continuing to make improvements to the spec, functionality, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and web
>>>>>>>>>>>>> platform tests but we consider the outstanding issues to be minor 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't have an effect on interop, so we don't believe they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ship-blocking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have received positive signal on the feature from Safari,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you Maciej for the reply on webkit-dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2019-December/030996.html>!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that we actually do have feature detectability specified 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> implemented
>>>>>>>>>>>>> per my reply
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2019-December/030998.html>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies this was not mentioned in the initial intent to ship 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> email, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> developed a few emails down the line.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-4, Nick
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Burris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much for the detailed feedback! Here's a specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of blockers, with some comments inline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specification issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - #64
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    <https://github.com/WICG/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/64>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Prevent invocation from popup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - #66
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    <https://github.com/WICG/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/66>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Clarify how scroll to fragment is performed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web platform test cases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Security restrictions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://wicg.github.io/ScrollToTextFragment/#should-allow-text-fragment>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Setting window.location.fragmentDirective has no effect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - All combinations of optional parameters in text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Matching TextMatchChar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    <https://wicg.github.io/ScrollToTextFragment/#textmatchchar>s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    and PercentEncodedChar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://wicg.github.io/ScrollToTextFragment/#percentencodedchar>s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    (in particular the syntactical characters ‘,’ and ‘-’) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including non-ASCII
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Multiple matches in the page (currently we only test 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    or 1 match)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Cross-whitespace/node matching (i.e. context terms and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    match terms can be separated by whitespace and node 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boundaries)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Test matching hidden and shadow DOM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Test horizontal scroll into view
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 10:17:56 AM UTC-4, Frédéric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wang wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/10/2019 15:52, Yoav Weiss wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This intent received a lot of feedback, but some of it more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevant to the general Blink process in general than to this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically. So, let me try to sum up where I believe things 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are and what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is and isn't blocking this intent from my perspective.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While the original intent could have done a better job at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expressing the outreach efforts done, and potentially a better 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job reaching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out to WebKit folks, that *should not block* the current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent. Official signals from other vendors would be most 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> welcome, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would not block the intent on getting them. (The Blink process 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> establish the best ways to get feedback from other vendors in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> timeframes. That discussion is beyond the scope of this intent)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A list of blockers for this intent from my perspective:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Anne's security concern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/392#issuecomment-510855073>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    like something we should address in spec. Even if Chrome 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    don't consider this a blocking issue, assuming Mozilla does, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    in their way if they wished to follow us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Daniel's feedback on augmenting the Privacy & Security
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    section with feedback from the Chrome security seems 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valuable, and I'd like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    to see it addressed before shipping.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forgot to note that David did address this in #62
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/WICG/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/62>, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe the security and privacy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://wicg.github.io/ScrollToTextFragment/#allow-text-fragment-directives>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> section now details all of the feedback and work we've done here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Regarding Rego and Fréd's feedback on WPTs - I'd like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    for us to reach agreement on which test cases should be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added beyond what's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    currently covered in order for the test suite to be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered complete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Rego/Fréd - do you have such a list of cases in mind? Once 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we reach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    agreement on what that list should be, we should block 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping until the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    test suite is complete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People developing the feature probably know better the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things to test. That said, after checking a bit the spec and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like the features can be divided into the following 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (1) Fragment directive, IDL interface and TreeWalker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     This is the core of the proposal, so it would probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a blocker if it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     is not tested extensively. Exiting tests already cover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several cases, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I suspect more can be tested here (e.g. check the actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> value
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     of window.location.fragmentDirective for different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases, check that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that window.location.fragmentDirective does not actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expose the fragment directive string, for now it is just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specified for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature detectability (see #19
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/WICG/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/19> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://wicg.github.io/ScrollToTextFragment/#feature-detectability>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     setting it has no effect, doing query for all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combinations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     mandatory/optional parameters, TextMatchChar, percent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encoding of special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     characters, non-ascii chars, more complex test pages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with 0, 1 or more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     matches, with whitespace, with different locales, etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (2) Security & Privacy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Apparently people have raised concerns about this so it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems important to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     tests any mitigation or protection described in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spec, if any (and if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     possible with the current WPT infrastructure).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (3) Navigating to a Text Fragment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     It seems that the idea of the proposal is to rely on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing concepts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     like Range/TreeWalker and APIs similar to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window.find/scrollIntoView.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I think it would be good to have minimal tests checking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that (scroll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     position actually changed, scroll alignment/behavior,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden DOM/CSS, etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     but this does not need to be exhaustive, since it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumed that these are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     already implemented, tested and inter-operable (See
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comment below though).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (4) Indicating The Text Match
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     The spec explicitly says it is UA-defined so it cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     tested. I guess one could write a minimal != reftest to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check that highlight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     actually happens but it would be very weak anyway, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     necessary. These will instead likely be browser-specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed, I think this should be left as browser-specific; we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only want to specify the matching/scroll-into-view behavior and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave it up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the UA/browser how the specific text is actually indicated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I don't think my comment regarding BroadcastChannel is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a blocker, I just believe it would be nice to avoid relying on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-interoperable APIs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though not a shipping blocker I definitely want to fix this,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spoke to some WPT experts and using WPT's Stash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://web-platform-tests.org/tools/wptserve/docs/stash.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems like a viable option.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides tests, I share Anne's concern on Mozilla repo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regarding lack of existing primitive for actually performing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scroll to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text. I opened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/WICG/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/66 for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that purpose. Right now it's unclear to me if this is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well-specified and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tested in the current proposal, and this may be considered a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blocker.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frédéric Wang
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