On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 3:08 AM Philip Jägenstedt <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Frank, > > Did you find all these GitHub projects code in the wild, or by searching > on GitHub? In any case, thank you for sending all of them! > > How would you summarize the findings of the httparchive analysis after the > additional 11 sites that you checked? > 1. They all use either use textInfo or weekInfo but no other getter 2. They all fallback to a common value as how FireFox or other brother which did not implement Intl.Locale Info features Are there any that would end up throwing an exception if we remove these > getters? > No exception will be throw. I think remove them should be very safe since it will just behave as FireFox or Safari now. > > Best regards, > Philip > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 6:42 AM 'Frank Tang (譚永鋒)' via blink-dev < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Interesting reply >> >> https://github.com/Extended-Thunder/send-later/pull/763#issuecomment-3368417172 >> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 5:11 PM Frank Tang (譚永鋒) <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> https://github.com/ubermanu/components/pull/4 >>> https://github.com/azatgt1996/my-tasks/pull/1 >>> https://github.com/greenscreens-io/webcomponents/pull/1 >>> https://github.com/emontnemery/home-assistant-polymer/pull/525 >>> https://github.com/webcamleif/ha-fusion/pull/1 >>> https://github.com/codewec/ha-fusion-pro/pull/22 >>> https://github.com/Yoeori/bsi-seiling/pull/2 >>> https://github.com/esm7/obsidian-tasks/pull/56 >>> https://github.com/jc-cr/obsidian-tasks/pull/1 >>> https://github.com/marcelocrs1/frontend/pull/1 >>> https://github.com/sourceempire/brawl-desktop-app/pull/144 >>> https://github.com/cshaa/svelte-day-picker/pull/16 >>> https://github.com/moshequ/vueflame/pull/1 >>> https://github.com/primozw/strapi-reservations/pull/3 >>> https://github.com/ManfredHu/manfredHu.github.io/pull/30 >>> https://github.com/emontnemery/home-assistant-polymer/pull/525 >>> https://github.com/bogdanbotezatu/ha-fusion/pull/5 >>> https://github.com/bedrockio/chrono/pull/1 >>> https://github.com/greenscreens-io/webcomponents/pull/1 >>> https://github.com/madsstoumann/browser-style/pull/2 >>> https://github.com/azatgt1996/my-tasks/pull/1 >>> https://github.com/ubermanu/components/pull/4 >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 4:39 PM Frank Tang (譚永鋒) <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> also filed >>>> https://github.com/marchbox/intl-elements/issues/64 >>>> >>>> https://github.com/alexzhirkevich/compose-cupertino/pull/95 >>>> https://github.com/Extended-Thunder/send-later/pull/763 >>>> https://github.com/MMRIZE/MMM-CalendarExt3/pull/237 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 4:26 PM Frank Tang (譚永鋒) <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://github.com/brettz9/intl-locale-textinfo-polyfill/issues/2#issuecomment-3367441048 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2025 at 1:37 PM Frank Tang (譚永鋒) <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1detya2rQsAHzZYm13x-zn-Rea97gtqCisX9fRcmFAFg/edit?usp=sharing&resourcekey=0-4FRh3mbBAS2JLKtAtgdzBg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2025 at 1:33 PM Frank Tang (譚永鋒) <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have similar finding. I look at about 10 more after Philip. Almost >>>>>>> all of them try to access >>>>>>> textInfo and weekInfo only >>>>>>> And about 30% of them fallback to getTextInfo or a default value. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 1:41 AM Philip Jägenstedt < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Checking in on this again, >>>>>>>> https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/5232 >>>>>>>> shows increasing usage, so it would be good to decide on a path >>>>>>>> forward. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Based on the use counter call sites >>>>>>>> <https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:v8/src/builtins/builtins-intl.cc;l=799-854;drc=50ade2d8d071e10bc5d53234bb2c0b311c515940>, >>>>>>>> these are the properties in question: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Intl.Locale.prototype.calendars >>>>>>>> - Intl.Locale.prototype.collations >>>>>>>> - Intl.Locale.prototype.hourCycles >>>>>>>> - Intl.Locale.prototype.numberingSystems >>>>>>>> - Intl.Locale.prototype.textInfo >>>>>>>> - Intl.Locale.prototype.timeZones >>>>>>>> - Intl.Locale.prototype.weekInfo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I exported the 106 sites listed on chromestatus.com into a >>>>>>>> spreadsheet, sorted them randomly: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_oOhcPq5fgOkd4pD9crSJqu2fnpyL2j7M9pxw7n_nD8/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I looked at the first 10, searching for "Intl.Locale" in devtools. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 8 of them use textInfo without fallback to getTextInfo(). Instead, >>>>>>>> they just assume "ltr". If the sites don't support any RTL language, >>>>>>>> then I >>>>>>>> don't think anybody would notice, but presumably some sites like >>>>>>>> adobe.com do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2 of the sites seem to correctly fall back to the get*() methods, >>>>>>>> and if they changed the order of their code wouldn't even trigger our >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> counters. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I found and filed a bug for the most common pattern: >>>>>>>> https://github.com/expo/expo/issues/39205 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Frank, would you be able to analyze another 10 or 20 to see if >>>>>>>> there are other common patterns? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From what I've found I'm fairly confident the breakage wouldn't be >>>>>>>> severe, but it would be good to notify libraries that need to adjust, >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> that developers have a fix if they are affected. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>> Philip >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 4:54 PM Chris Harrelson < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 4:22 PM 'Panos Astithas' via blink-dev < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 3:12 PM Mike Taylor < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/12/25 5:38 PM, Frank Tang (譚永鋒) wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 8:19 AM Chris Harrelson < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 10:39 AM 'Frank Tang (譚永鋒)' via >>>>>>>>>>>> blink-dev <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 6:02 AM Daniel Bratell < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like the use counter LocaleInfoObsoleteGetters is at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.033% which is a bit high. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Daniel: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From your point of view, could you please define what number >>>>>>>>>>>>> would be considered as not "high" or "low enough" ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have a hard and fast rule, but in this case it's "high >>>>>>>>>>>> enough" that we would like a bit more info to estimate risk. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If there are no hard and fast rules, then how do we determine >>>>>>>>>>> 0.033% is a bit high? but not low enough? gut feeling? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Experience breaking things. See >>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RC-pBBvsazYfCNNUSkPqAVpSpNJ96U8trhNkfV0v9fk/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.83o2xr8ayal6. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't see LocaleInfoFunctions at all so does that mean that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has never been triggered? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, we didn't hook up that to the same UI. All other intl >>>>>>>>>>>>> features were hook up with this UI and while I added the CL >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/6020626/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>>>>> syg@ said I should not use blink_feature but webdx_feature >>>>>>>>>>>>> due to "jstenback's email about WebDX features" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So I hooked up the counter of both kLocaleInfoObsoletedGetters >>>>>>>>>>>>> and kLocaleInfoFunctions to that >>>>>>>>>>>>> but we later on find there are no easy way to access that info >>>>>>>>>>>>> from public UI yet. So in >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/6089243 >>>>>>>>>>>>> I change LocaleInfoObsoleteGetters back to blink_feature >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure how to access the query to check webdx_feature. >>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone know how to query that, we can see from that. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Your use counter is here: >>>>>>>>>>>> https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/5232 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That one is for LocaleInfoObsoleteGetters, which is >>>>>>>>>>> blink_feature that we know how to see the counter >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok, but the URL above also lists various sites that are >>>>>>>>> triggering LocaleInfoObsoleteGetters, ranked by popularity. I'm >>>>>>>>> suggesting >>>>>>>>> checking the top 20 such sites to see if any are broken. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Screenshot 2025-03-13 8.53.08 AM.png] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What we do not know how to access is kLocaleInfoFunctions, which >>>>>>>>>>> is webdx_feature that we do not know how to access the counter. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please reach out to pastithas@ or kadirtopal@ for help on that. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately we don't yet expose these use counters in >>>>>>>>>> ChromeStatus, but we're working on it. In the meantime internal >>>>>>>>>> UMA data >>>>>>>>>> <https://uma.googleplex.com/p/chrome/timeline_v2?sid=f68dc5965348456a1cfb7dae5fa891d8> >>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>> help make progress here. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Panos >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAJ8Nf23YhpqRu91ShWcrQLgeoOrjC5KsDnhexLVK7S-sGM7tfA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAJ8Nf23YhpqRu91ShWcrQLgeoOrjC5KsDnhexLVK7S-sGM7tfA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAOMQ%2Bw-Rxs7zGWcNUMv2iDi4GxkWD%3Dh%2B5v8ABuim9z08c7VweQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAOMQ%2Bw-Rxs7zGWcNUMv2iDi4GxkWD%3Dh%2B5v8ABuim9z08c7VweQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Frank Yung-Fong Tang >>>>>>> 譚永鋒 / 🌭🍊 >>>>>>> Sr. Software Engineer >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Frank Yung-Fong Tang >>>>>> 譚永鋒 / 🌭🍊 >>>>>> Sr. Software Engineer >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Frank Yung-Fong Tang >>>>> 譚永鋒 / 🌭🍊 >>>>> Sr. Software Engineer >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Frank Yung-Fong Tang >>>> 譚永鋒 / 🌭🍊 >>>> Sr. Software Engineer >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Frank Yung-Fong Tang >>> 譚永鋒 / 🌭🍊 >>> Sr. Software Engineer >>> >> >> >> -- >> Frank Yung-Fong Tang >> 譚永鋒 / 🌭🍊 >> Sr. Software Engineer >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "blink-dev" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CA%2B7fzPGbc8vSq5ajtvi2if_57BZrc0UosN14yfrQ-Y7tc2ZY_Q%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CA%2B7fzPGbc8vSq5ajtvi2if_57BZrc0UosN14yfrQ-Y7tc2ZY_Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- Frank Yung-Fong Tang 譚永鋒 / 🌭🍊 Sr. Software Engineer -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "blink-dev" group. 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