eric oyen here… Really? the mac can't provide a talking interface during installation? um, plug in the install media, wait 30 seconds and press cmd+F5. the entire installation from beginning to end is completely accessible.
Now, OS X does have some failings here. In single user mode (X key during boot), speech will not be available until a GUI comes up. So, any kernel messages that crop up indicating a problem will be missed. The same can be said for "safe mode". I and others have been trying to convince apple that it would be a good idea to have some kind of speech support right at kernel load. so far, we have been largely ignored. Anyway, as for OS X not being accessible during install, complete fallacy. Hell, in the recovery mode, CMD+F5 works and I have voice. so, even recovery mode is accessible. -eric On Apr 27, 2017, at 4:28 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Tony Baechler here. > > I have two major problems with this argument, namely what Chris says in that > Talking Arch should be a separate project. I feel strongly that speech and > Braille should be part of all boot media for all mainstream distros unless it > wouldn't be practical, such as for very small systems or due to space > limitations on the boot media. > > First, I guess it's just me, but pressing a key or two at the boot prompt > really isn't a big deal. My boot loader lets me pick what OS I want to boot. > I have to press a number for the partition I want. If you use GRUB and want > to boot into recovery mode, you press the down arrow, whether you're blind or > sighted. If you want to boot a custom Linux kernel command line, you type it > in. Pressing the letter "s" and Enter to start speech in Debian and Slackware > is hardly what I would call an inconvenience. Granted, I agree that I would > rather not have to press aspecial keys, but if it keeps most people happy > (the sighted don't want speech) and allows an accessible install, it's fine > with me. > > The second major problem I have is that unless I'm mistaken, it's still > impossible for the blind to install Windows without help. Much of it can be > automated and maybe Win10 has Narrator during the install, I'm not sure. The > point is speech doesn't start automatically and there are far more keys to > randomly press to get speech. In the past, I had someone install Windows for > me before I could install a screen reader. One area where Linux shines is > there are distros which only require a key or two at boot to have a fully > talking installer which is identical to what the sighted use. Even the Mac > can't do that, although one can start VoiceOver during the installation. > > On 4/24/2017 8:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> Kelly Prescott here. >> It takes a lot of effort to make a boot environment talk... I know, because >> that is what I am working on. >> I am not speaking of Linux, I am speaking of a boot loader. >> When I finish my boot loader, then it might be realistic to have a normal >> arch cd with some boot options. >> Until that happens, I agree with Chris. I don't like to boot and guess what >> to type and when. > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list [email protected] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
