hi to the best of my knowledge the standard is not accepted. some vendors eg. acer dont actually allow secure boot to be disabled.
the bios is inaccessible, its a while since i did stuff on x86 platforms so if this is now not the case its new on me. so how does a blind person disable secure boot? yes u can obviously boot anything in a secure boot, but u got to stick keys in the nvram to do it. this being the whole point as it were. thus if u cannot disable secure boot, ucant install any distro or whatever thats not ms signed. this is mostof them. is there a way for blind users to disable secure boot then? yes what u say about speakup is the problem. norally u can just rebuild the kernel at worst, and re-install speakup. eg. i do this with armbian. and also on the ubuntu used by hard kernel for the odroid n2. with a secure boot, where the kernel is signed by ms u cannot do this, since u cant insert modules, not signed. i assume this is also a problem with fedora, who the last of there distros i used, which was 23, didnt put speakup in by default. so if u cannot disable secure boot either from being unable to access the bios. or the vendors dont allow it to be disabled, u a) cannot install many linux distros, and b) cannot install modules eg. speakup if not provided. so whilst i apologise for this going way off the original question. if u got a way to disable secure boot, without the bios which is totally inaccessible. it would be very handy to know! best regards neil foster > >I've done some research, and according to the standards set when MS >reliesed Windows 8 and Secure boot became a thing, the EFI Bios have >to have a way to disable Secure boot. > > >I know that both Ubuntu and Fedora can function in a secure boot >environment. It is possible to make other Distros do the same, though >it's apparently a royal pain to do. > >There are four major reasons for me wanting to use Fedora in place of >Ubuntu. > > * Firstly, Ubuntu's over reliance on snapd, something I really, really > don't appreciate. > * Secondly, the fact that Fedora has a vanilla implementation of > Gnome, where as on the other hand Gnome in Ubuntu is referred to as > FrankenGnome by quite a few. > * Reason 3 is the fact that Ubuntu removed speakup from their kernel, > obviously something that should be anathema to a blind console user. > * Reason 4 is probably petty of me, but I just don't really like > 'apt-get'. 'dnf' is just easier to use, and less work overall. > >Ok, maybe I could just stick to Ubuntu, and I'll probably do so for the >foreseeable future. Me being lazy is a factor. >Warm regards, > >Brandt Steenkamp > >Sent using Thunderbird from Windows 11 > >On 2022/06/09 16:19, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> hi, i realise this is veering off the question originally asked but, >> >> yes canonical aka ubuntu got a kernel signed by ms so it uses the keys >> already in the nvram. >> a standard linux distro doesnt last i heard and u cannot boot with secure >> boot. >> unless u add the keys for it yourself. >> archlinux definitely wont. >> >> in other words for most linux distros u got to switch secure boot off instal >> the os, then u can enable secure boot if u want to. >> this isnt always possible eg. i think acer dont allow it. >> even if u can access the bios that is! >> >> things do change fast so my information might be out of date in which case >> apologies, >> but i'd check first before parting with dough... >> >> do u mind if i ask y u want to use fedora? >> ubuntu use strong stack protection, so adding extra modules eg speakup can >> be a bit of pita, on sbc and so on. >> but apart from the package managers >> yum/dnf vs apt-get and et al, they're both much the same thing. >> >> good luck with it any which road. >> regards >> neil foster >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am currently running a dual boot setup with Ubuntu and Windows 11 >>> both booting fine from secure boot. >>> >>> I was thinking about replacing Ubuntu with Fedora, but if it ain't >>> broke, don't fix it. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> >>> Brandt Steenkamp >>> >>> Sent using Thunderbird on Ubuntu >>> >>> On 2022/06/09 01:23, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>>> apologies if this isnt relevant, but similar idea though different >>>> supplier. >>>> got a ryzen 3400g based desktop from ccl over here in the uk. >>>> installed archlinux on it. >>>> as long as its not secure boot, linux distros will nowadays instal on most >>>> x86-64 based systems. >>>> only glitch i had was soundcard was card1 since hdmi was card0, was a bit >>>> ugg. >>>> had to ssh in and sort it. >>>> >>>> get cheap hdmi monitor and then u can ocr it if it hangs and thers no sign >>>> of life. >>>> same as u can ocr a screen capture on a vm. >>>> >>>> anybody who sells pc without os should be ok, just if its secure boot it >>>> can be difficult/impossible. >>>> >>>> ta >>>> neil foster >>>>> I purchased a computer from System76 and then installed Slint on my own. >>>>> They were very fast and kept me updated every step of the process. >>>>> >>>>> Ashley Breger >>>>> >>>>>> On May 31, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Linux for blind general >>>>>> discussion<blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ïûÿHi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> For future considderation, which is the better buying experience, >>>>>> System76.com, Slimbook.es, puri.sm, or any other specialist Linux >>>>>> computer building company? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have never actually purchased a Linux first device, it's always >>>>>> something running Winbloat, unfortunately needed for making my living, >>>>>> but that's what VM's is for. >>>>>> >>>>>> If anyone has bought a machine from any of the Linux specialist >>>>>> companies, please let us know about your buying experience. 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