Thanks Spencer. In fact I agree it would be a good idea to raise the
problem somewhere - but not in the context of the current BLISS/ACH
draft (other than by reference to some other document).

By the way, I think this is also a relevant topic in the context of the
SIP Forum interoperability initiative (the workshop they held in
Vancouver) - I can't remember if any of the presentations touched on
this.

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Behalf Of Spencer Dawkins
> Sent: 14 February 2008 12:16
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [BLISS] ACH - question concerning B2BUAs
> 
> Just as a data point...
> 
> > The problem you raise is what happens later - ACH is 
> finished, but the
> > results of ACH (particularly in the forwarding case) expose other
> > problems, namely when certain types of B2BUA are in the path.
> >
> > The way I view it is that standard proxy behaviour, without 
> ACH, would
> > route an INVITE request to any registered contacts (either 
> in parallel,
> > in series or a mixture, depending on priorities). This too can mean
> > forking and the sort of interactions you describe if there is a
> > dialog-hiding B2BUA in the path. It is forking that leads to these
> > problems - ACH is just a way in which forking can arise, 
> beyond basic
> > proxy forking.
> >
> > So:
> > 1) I firmly believe that we are not chartered to solve this 
> problem in
> > BLISS (I think you agree with this). If you want to solve it, then I
> > think it has to be addressed to SIPPING.
> 
> This is my understanding as well, and just because something 
> isn't chartered 
> in BLISS doesn't mean that it shouldn't be chartered SOMEwhere ...
> 
> > 2) I also believe that it would be inappropriate to refer 
> to this type
> > of problem in the ACH-analysis draft, because it is not 
> something that
> > can be described in a sentence or two. If it takes about a page to
> > explain the issue, then in my opinion this would detract 
> from the main
> > message of the ACH-analysis draft.
> 
> ... and even if describing the problem in ACH isn't 
> appropriate, describing 
> it SOMEwhere is ...
> 
> ... and further - if there WAS a draft that described this problem 
> concisely, I'd say refering to that draft in ACH would be appropriate.
> 
> So while I agree with John, please don't let what we are 
> saying stop you 
> from providing text.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Spencer 
> 
> 
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