I don't disagree with your argument. However, I also think, should a
particular approach unduly complicate implementation of a feature
(especially require support from multiple network elements for a feature to
work), vendors are going to resort to non standard ways to implement the
feature as well......

Venkatesh

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Paul Kyzivat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm not promoting one way or the other. Ultimately people building
> products will build the functionality they think they need to sell their
> products. If people feel this is important then they will want a way to
> do it. If it isn't standard then it will be nonstandard.
>
>        Paul
>
> Francois Audet wrote:
> >
> >
> >> There is a tradeoff...
> >>
> >> If multiple extensions can place outgoing calls from the same
> >> line, then the line doesn't have "binary" status, so it can't
> >> be indicated as active or not with a light. And you can't
> >> "conference in" by picking up on the same line.
> >>
> >> While I am not into it myself, I can see how someone can
> >> build a "business process" around the specific way in which
> >> lines are managed by the phones, and then be very upset if
> >> they can't get that same user experience.
> >
> > Yeah, sure, it's doable. I do not believe that adding the concept
> > of a Line number to do this is required to do this, or even
> > desireable.
> >
> >> Now you can come up with some very nice UIs that provide
> >> better user experience, if you have a suitable display
> >> instead of just a bunch of lights. (E.g. an entry for the
> >> "number" (AOR that people call), and a variable length drop
> >> down list of active calls, showing the callerid of the
> >> caller, how long it has been active, and which extensions are
> >> currently connected to it.) But that is *different*, and
> >> requires a device with richer UI.
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
> > My point is that we shouldn't bastardize the protocol with all this
> > complex extra protocol (Line numbers, BFCP, NOTIFY/PUBLISH-storms, etc.)
> > just do do this.
> >
> > The basic "single-lamp" based approach is doable without any of this.
> >
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