A little out of context. I'd had a string of private convos with robert trying to explain how peering worked before he'd written the wired article, trying to get him to understand aqm and fair queuing also.
As for the key misconception in the debate between level3, netflix, and isps... What I basically had said was that "the service provider, netflix in this instance, had to pay someone to host their servers, cover the cost of electricity and the cost of a port on big fat ethernet switch, and it didn't matter if they paid a middleman like level3 for the connectivity, OR an ISP that hosted the box on their internal network." It happens to be most cost-effective, if you have enough traffic, to co-locate with the ISP. AND, in most cases, since that's cheaper to the ISP than a middleman, ISPs have traditionally offered rack space for free and the service provider covered the cost of the hardware, the ISP is already getting paid by the customer, and the requirements of the hardware and related capex and maintence costs by the service provider. Now, an argument can be made that the service provider should also pay for the rack space and electricity to the ISP, the same as if they were co-located elsewhere and connected to a middleman, - and in *that case* some regulation in order to ensure a fair market seems necessary. (but it's also a hassle... and later on in this debate, gfiber published their policies for co-locating services like netflix in their datacenters, which made that point more clearly, and explicitly laid out their policies to the possible political detriment of the ISPs making the argument above. http://googlefiberblog.blogspot.com/2014/05/minimizing-buffering.html Still, the points I made about congestion control, aqm and fair queuing weren't made with the ACLU and I suppose I should go over there to make those portions of my points, because the darn fast lane/slow lane analogy is seriously flawed in general. Internet traffic looks nothing like vehicular traffic. On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Rich Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > See the second paragraph of: > > https://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty/we-want-internet-providers-respond-internet-demand-not-shape-it > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > -- Dave Täht NSFW: https://w2.eff.org/Censorship/Internet_censorship_bills/russell_0296_indecent.article _______________________________________________ Bloat mailing list [email protected] https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
