Hi Kevin,

On Jun 6, 2015, at 17:46 , Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant 
<[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> 
> On 06/06/15 15:29, Sebastian Moeller wrote:
>> 1) ATM interface 'backpressure' - is this Byte Queue Limits? (ifxmips_atm)
>>      Is there actual backpreassure from your ATM diver at all? As rar as I 
>> know france’s free had their boxes ATM driver modified to keep buffering 
>> low, and I believe David Woodhouse dd some work on another driver/the 
>> generic ATM layer, but I am not sure that any ATM driver actually defaults 
>> to sane buffering and sane back pressure.
> That was my sort of point.  On 'planet Kevin' (don't go there) the ATM driver 
> would *know* the link is busy, or how many bytes it still had to shove over 
> it and could offer some clue back up the stack to not bloat.  I thought 
> that's what BQL was supposed to do.  Or another way of viewing:  If ethernet 
> interfaces ideally implement BQL why shouldn't ATM?

        Ah, I fully agree that is how I would like it to be as well; 
unfortunately that is not sufficient to make it happen though :(

> 
>> 
>> 
>>      How this is supposed to work? In an ideal work the CPE and the DSLAM 
>> would not over-buffer and www would not have to dedicate grey matter to work 
>> around their sort-commings ;) But as far as I can tell DSL sync rates for 
>> many lines are stable over weeks to months, so setting the shaper rarely is 
>> sufficient. Like when you notice that latency under load got worse…
> Well again on 'planet Kevin' the CPE is OpenWrt.  

        A planet I like to live on from what I learned about it.

> Apparenly it's under my control but I'm fighting my own lack of abilities, 
> trying to sprint a marathon before I can even crawl.  Looking at kernel 
> sources when I can barely get 'hello world' to compile & run is asking for 
> trouble :-)  About a day ago I didn't know what an SKB was. 
> https://www.coverfire.com/articles/queueing-in-the-linux-network-stack/ has 
> been a revelation.

        This sounds like you embark on fixing the del driver in your modem; 
more power to you then.

Best Regards
        Sebastian

>> 
>> Best Regards
>>      Sebastian
>> 
> 
> 

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