Hi Neal,

> On May 13, 2019, at 17:13, Neal Cardwell <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the details!
> 
> Given that DOCSIS 3.1 (released initially in 2013) has many revisions - 
> https://specification-search.cablelabs.com/CM-SP-MULPIv3.1?v=03 -  and 
> low-latency DOCSIS and L4S was added in 2019 (CM-SP-MULPIv3.1-I17-190121), I 
> had been under the impression that the PIE AQM for upstream traffic was also 
> added in some later revision. But I do see now that the PIE AQM for upstream 
> traffic was in Annex M of the initial 3.1 spec (CM-SP-MULPIv3.1-I01-131029).

        Yes, that was actually pretty col to see this as a requirement from day 
1. It is a bit of a downer how long the ISPs take/took to actually roll-out 
docsis 3.1.

> 
> Does anyone happen to know if (and if so, how widely) the major cable ISPs 
> world-wide enable the upstream PIE AQM functionality?

        I have no clue, but I believe Greg White (CC'd) might have more insight 
in this.

Best Regards
        Sebastian



> 
> neal
> 
> 
> From: Sebastian Moeller <[email protected]>
> Date: Mon, May 13, 2019 at 5:16 AM
> To: bloat, Neal Cardwell
> 
> Hi Neal,
> 
> As far as I can tell the PIE aqm is mandatory in all DOCSIS 3.1 CPEs, do Al 
> you need is a modem certified for 3.1 and probably also an DOCSIS ISP 
> supplying 3.1 services (I assume the AQM will only be engaged in a docsis 3.1 
> environment), as in DOCSIS the ISP basically has control over the CPE, so you 
> would need their cooperation. Not every DOCSIS ISP will provision any 
> customer modem, but I assume you have enough leverage to make this happen.
> 
> Anyway according to the spec sheets:
> AVM Fritzbox 6591
> Netgear CM1000-1AZNAS
> Arris SB8200
> Motorola MB8600
> should give you what you want.
> 
> Best Reards
>       Sebastian
> 
> P.S.: I would love to hear your results, as information about the effects of 
> docsis pie in the wild is quite limited...
> 
> 
> On May 12, 2019 11:24:50 PM GMT+02:00, Neal Cardwell <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> Anyone have a pointer to a cable modem model that is available for purchase 
> and implements the DOCSIS 3.1 PIE mechanism?  (So far, my searches for this 
> have only found other people asking this question, rather than the answer. 
> Apologies if I missed something that should be easy to find.)
> 
> I'm curious to have one for testing with BBR v2. I'm aware of the Linux PIE 
> implementation, but it would be nice to have the actual cable modem version 
> to play with as well.
> 
> Thanks!
> neal
> 

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