On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:12 PM David P. Reed <[email protected]> wrote: > > This, and the general question of how to get any change like this into the IP > forwarding components of existing networks, seems to be a very important and > tough question. > > IETF seems to be unable to mandate anything, even when there is rough > consensus and working code. > > The power has shifted to customers of equipment vendors. > > > The business innovation for those customers is now called 5G. That's not the > 3GPP standard called 5G, but a vague buzzword marketing race that pretty much > wants to make the Internet slowly die. > > Fronts of that are: > > 1. IoT. Cloud-server-based. Uses IP but doesn't care about it. A new "overlay > internet" that doesn't get built by IETF at all. > > 2. Small cells instead of hotspots. Key is that small cells are owned by a > telecom operator, and though on or near private premises, the premise owners > has no authority over what traffic they transport. Business model includes > your access provider owning the wireless airtime in your home or business. No > more Private Branch Exchange style deals. Instead you lease a cell or mesh of > cells from the cable or phone company you select as your 5G provider. > > 3. PWAs replace websites. Eventually, 5G operators own these "enclaves" on > your phone, Chromebook, Mac, ...that are controlled by the PWA vendor. The > vendors, like PC ISVs used to, are closed and proprietary distributed app > makers. The data of users is held in the enclaves and the "backends". Though > W3C protocols are used, including WebRTC, the way they are used by these > businesses involves harvesting data about people and their behavior, kept > secret in cloud vaults to which each PWA has secure access. These vaults form > a privatized economy of information used to predict and control user behavior > through the PWAs that are hosted on user devices. > > Given that evolution of a new internetwork structure, how to get the plumbing > fixed? > > Simple: move the ideas to be central to 5G networking. > > At the moment, 5G is very much tangled with IP. That is rapidly changing as > we speak. >
Is there a place we can follow the development of 5g ? Is this what you are referring to : https://www.etsi.org/committee?id=1454 ? In Mauritius, there are talks about deploying 5G for the whole island. > Also note that cablecos and cellularcos are converging to this definition of > 5G. Some tech is different: 802.11 is shifting to be part of cableco' > offering, while short range high speed 5G NR and mmWave are the new cellular > hotspots. But both are WLANs, and 802.11x is no longer peer to peer. But the > overall business goals are identical. There is a competitive war. > > Most of IETF wirk is irrelevant and will be time wasted. Thus vision of 5G as > replacing today's Internet is the context. Think Solaris as IETF Internet, 5G > as RedHat. > > > ----Original Message----- > From: "Mikael Abrahamsson" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 9:20 am > To: "Holland, Jake" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Holland, Jake" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]>, "bloat" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] can we setup a "how to get this into > existingnetworks" get-together in Prague coming week? > > On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, Holland, Jake wrote: > > > Hi Mikael, > > > > Any operator nibbles on making this meeting happen? > > Nobody else expressed any interest in this, so I kind of dropped the idea. > > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Ecn-sane mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/ecn-sane > > > _______________________________________________ > Ecn-sane mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/ecn-sane _______________________________________________ Bloat mailing list [email protected] https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
