Thanks, I may take you up on that, but I still have some blockers to work 
through with my victims^h^h^h^h^h^h^h colleagues at work. (;-))

--dave

On 2020-09-10 11:08 a.m., Anthony Minessale II wrote:
Still willing to host a call on SignalWire Work if you want to check it out.
I barely use this email addr so I keep forgetting to check it.


On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 12:09 PM Jonathan Morton 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 8 Sep, 2020, at 7:48 pm, Matt Mathis via Bloat 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

To be simplistic, you might just talk about cake vs (bloated) drop tail.  To be 
thorough, you also need to make the case that cake is better than other AQMs.  
This feels like too much for LWN, but silence on other solutions might trigger 
skeptics.

Personally, my position is:

1: Bloated dumb FIFOs are terrible.

2: Basic AQM is good.  This can be as simple as TBF+WRED; it solves a large 
part of the basic problem by eliminating multi-second queue delays.  In some 
cases this can solve very serious problems, such as DNS lookups failing when 
the link is loaded, quite adequately.  Properly configured, you can keep queue 
delays below the 100ms threshold for reasonable VoIP performance.

3: FQ-AQM is better.  That generally means HTB+fq_codel, but other forms of 
this exist.  It means essentially zero added delay for non-saturating flows.  
It's an easy way to make DNS, VoIP and online gaming work nicely without having 
to restrict data-hungry applications.

4: Cake offers some extra tools and aims to be easier (more intuitive) to 
configure.  Currently, it is the best solution for slow and medium-speed 
broadband (up to 100Mbps), and can also be used at higher speeds with some 
care, mostly regarding device performance.

- Jonathan Morton



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