[uucdigest] Friday, March 7 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6194
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] first car suggestions Re: [uuc] CO Tool/Michel/Sadness [uuc] Point-Counterpoint (was first car suggestions) [uuc] Missouri Wasteland RE: [uuc] first car suggestions -- NO bmw content Re: [uuc] Re: Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated [uuc] Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated Re: [uuc] Missouri Wasteland Re: [uuc] Missouri Wasteland Re: [uuc] WAS inexpensive helmets, NOW roll bars and harnesses Re: [uuc] Missouri Wasteland [uuc] Re: Portable air tanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:56:56 -0800 (PST) From: John Pease <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] first car suggestions Scott: On the somewhat serious side you need to be careful. When I started driving my dad switched our cars over to bucket seats, stick shifts, and a tiny back seat. It made certain aspects of my 16 year old lifestyle very challenging. 2002's were only fun to drive, not do anything else in darnit. Is your son interested in cars or do you want him to be? A simpler car which he can maintain would be a good choice. Many Japanese and American cars would do well. I think most European cars would be more expensive and their parts would be harder to obtain. If not for the concerns I expressed in the first paragraph, I would suggest the Toyota Camry or Buick with the 3.8 V6 from the early 90's. To play it safe maybe a small Honda, or Geo Metro. Cheers, John Pease __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:12:53 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] CO Tool/Michel/Sadness I take consolation in knowing that Michel was really quite happy down in FL after many not-so-happy years in MA. Around thanksgiving, we had an exchange that was representative of his new-found happiness: << Got anything special planned? >> >Yes, another day in Paradise! Might go fishing if the wind stays down. That sort of image is what I keep in my memory of Michel. - - Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:09:35 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Point-Counterpoint (was first car suggestions) I'm going to disagree with Lee, although I'll stop short of calling him an ignorant slut (SNL reference). >Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:49:44 -0500 >From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [uuc] first car suggestions -- limited bmw content > >Scott, > >A couple of suggestions and things to think about. While he may not be >interested in sporting intentions, typically, those kinds of cars have more >power and better handling which I think no one here will dispute helps in >avoiding accidents--all of the cars below fit into that category. The last thing Scott, or any parent, should do is give their teenage son a car with any kind of power. They will use it to drive faster than they should and they will get into an accident as a result. I've seen it happen too many time. Until they become more responsible, underpowered is better. I'm all for avoiding accidents, so good handling is important. But a powerful car in the hands of a teen is just an accident waiting to happen. Bad idea. >Infiniti G20 up to 96. This is an excellent car that is faaaaar more than >the sum of it's parts (all nissan). This car handles well, although is >admittedly somewhat of a dog with an auto-- <snip> Sounds perfect. >Saab 9000 (turbos). Absolutely not. >Volvo 850s. See above..... The 5 cylinder (do I have the right car?) is not that fast, this is fine. <snip> >You could consider a nice E34 for your price cap. Due to the fact your son >doesn't care about power, I'd go with the 525i--you can trade hp for every >option in the book. The 525iA would be a good choice. <snip> >You could also consider an E36 325....this is an excellent car, Maybe. >Hope this helps, >Lee Yeah, me too. (I sent my other comments to Scott privately, no use in clogging up the digest with them.) Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 13:20:46 -0800 From: Steve Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Missouri Wasteland Robert Phelan writes: Hah! You haven't seen a wasteland until you've been to Rolla, Missouri. So Robert, how many souls live in Rolla these days? I went to the University there from '65-'67 before Uncle Sam decided I would be better off in Viet Nam. There weren't many 'locals' there at that time, in fact I seem to remember that the population of Rolla doubled when the students arrived each fall. Steve Albrecht ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:28:14 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] first car suggestions -- NO bmw content I paid about $3000 for an 85 Saab 900S. 110hp....but had lots of goodies. Damn was that thing slow. But my parents pushed me towards a Saab when I wanted soemthing Japanese & faster. Needless to say, that car saved my dumb ass in an accident where the Prelude I wanted would have put me in the ground!!! I think that $10k is not unreasonable for a teenager. Better yet, spend $9k & then $1000 to get him the best driver training (car control) class(es) you can find. If you're in the Atlanta area there's a really good one that more than a couple folks on this list teach (BTW--good driver's schools can be found waaaay less than a grand, that was just an example). I don't have any children (that I know of--fortunately--I'd have had to spawned at 12 to have a 16 yr old now). But I'd prefer to get them something that is very reliable & safe. Teenagers aren't the only bad drivers out there.....by a long shot. When that bozo in her Yukon slams into your 16 year old, do you want him in Civic (someone mentioned a Geo Metro) or a Volvo? Cars in this range are also likely to have better passive/active safety devices, like ABS, airbags and traction control. While most of us kind of shun these, for the beginning driver, they may prove very helpful. Just don't spend $10k getting about the same thing you could have gotten for $3000. Please make sure your kid's car has really good tires on it too. Lee 88 M3->unscathed.....well, ok but pylon marks buff out..... 01 Saab 9-3SE->unscathed 88 Saab 9000 turbo->unscathed 97 Nissan PickUp->hit by drunk chick in FL, took forever to fix, was the product of line below 96 Infiniti G20t->first new car bought on co-op salary--totalled 8 months later by very, very stupid 21 year old 87 Saab 900->unscathed, passed on to sister as her first car bought to be able to re-use parts from 86 900..... 86 Saab 900->damn handbrake slipped rolled into the house 85 Saab 900S->totalled after 3 weeks by a big f'in tree by previously mentioned stupid 17 year old.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:28:53 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated "John Bolhuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Gary Derian wrote: > > > If it is 20 deg in the car, the heater will be full on whether it > > is set to 70 deg or 90 deg. > > Though he didn't say it, I think what he is after is the temperature > overshoot that feels so nice when it's cold. While I like 70 as a > steady-state temperature, it feels great to overshoot up to at least > 80 for a brief time if it was really cold before. Guys, You need to read your climate control manual! If you set the desired interior temp to 70 while it's much colder outside, the air coming out of the vents will be as hot as possible for as long as it takes to warm up the car. Also, as soon as the coolant is warmed up, the air flow will ramp up to warm the car up ASAP. No need to futz with the desired settings to 'fool' the car into warming you up any faster. > If the climate control system blasts up to 70 and holds, it just > isn't the same. It doesn't.. If it did, it would never reach the desired 70 degrees inside. alex f ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:38:00 -0800 (PST) From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Guys, > You need to read your climate control manual! don't have a car with climate control. :) > > If the climate control system blasts up to 70 and holds, it just > > isn't the same. > > It doesn't.. > If it did, it would never reach the desired 70 degrees inside. To be more precise, I should have written, "If the climate control system blasts its hottest air out of the vents until the cabin temperature reaches 70, and then holds it, it just isn't the same." I maintain that sometimes temperature overshoot is comfy, but the climate control system has no way of knowing that, so the best it can do is shoot for the given temperature. Alex always forces me to elucidate my thoughts most precisely. - -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:40:09 -0600 From: Robert Phelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Missouri Wasteland Well, the local population is up to about 17-18 thousand. The student body I think currently consists of about 4500 students. So, we're not quite doubling it any more. All said it's a fine little town, but not one you want to be stuck in for your adolescent and early adult life. Rob At 1:20 PM -0800 3/7/03, Steve Albrecht wrote: >Robert Phelan writes: Hah! You haven't seen a wasteland until >you've been to Rolla, Missouri. > >So Robert, how many souls live in Rolla these days? I went to the >University there from '65-'67 before Uncle Sam decided I would be >better off in Viet Nam. There weren't many 'locals' there at that >time, in fact I seem to remember that the population of Rolla >doubled when the students arrived each fall. > >Steve Albrecht - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:47:55 -0600 From: "Christian Els" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Missouri Wasteland Hey, that's my neck of the woods. I was just in that neighborhood two weekends ago for the 100 Acre Wood SCCA Club Rally (www.100aw.org) I had the fastest overall time* on day two, stage 10 : ) Rolla is still a mostly forgotten, male-dominated college town with a fearful ovine population and a mad St Pat's bash coming up this next weekend: <http://web.umr.edu/~stpats/>. Cheers, Christian Els Columbia, MO - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Albrecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 07 March, 2003 15:20 Subject: [uuc] Missouri Wasteland > Robert Phelan writes: Hah! You haven't seen a wasteland until you've > been to Rolla, Missouri. > > So Robert, how many souls live in Rolla these days? I went to the > University there from '65-'67 before Uncle Sam decided I would be better > off in Viet Nam. There weren't many 'locals' there at that time, in > fact I seem to remember that the population of Rolla doubled when the > students arrived each fall. > > Steve Albrecht > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:50:17 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] WAS inexpensive helmets, NOW roll bars and harnesses "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You have to go with statistics and probability. Agreed. > Plane crashes are a horrible way to die. Will you never fly again? > Even though flying is much safer than driving a car? Stan, That depends on who is counting. Airlines will gladly proclaim that your chance per _HOUR_ of travel time are lowest on a plane. Automakers will gladly tell you that the chance of dying per _MILE_ traveled are higher in a plane compared to a car. They will neglect to mention that the lowest chance of death per mile traveled is walking ;-) > Rollover accidents with roof collapse that result in death or serious > injury solely because someone had a harness VS. all other accidents > > I wonder which one is more likely to occur .... It should also be pointed out that installing either a roll bar or a harness introduces the risk of hitting that metal object with an unprotected head in a common street accident. More food for thought. alex f >Joe Elwell wrote: > The rollovers I've seen (without bar/cage) have all involved a fair > amount of roof movement - enough so that someone constrained in a > harness could be injured by it. The thought of that particular injury > gives me the creeps. I'm with Mark on this one. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:54:38 -0600 From: Robert Phelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Missouri Wasteland Well, if you were driving then I was timing you on stages 6 and 12. I was the flying finish. What were you driving? We may have bumped into each other and not even realized. Rob >I was just in that neighborhood two weekends ago for the 100 Acre Wood SCCA >Club Rally (www.100aw.org) I had the fastest overall time* on day two, >stage 10 : ) > - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 17:11:01 -0500 From: Barbara Zmiewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Portable air tanks Thanks to all who answered my question. Plenty of food for thought. Think since we have the room we will try the tank. Have a 12 v. compressor but don't like the fact that it takes long to pump up the tires. Barb '90 M3 '88 M5 '02 Suburban ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6194 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com |__________________________________________
