[uucdigest] Tuesday, March 11 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6206
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Re: [uuc] Automanual [uuc] Re: Timing Belt and Water Pump RE: [uuc] Automanual RE: [uuc] Re: Timing Belt and Water Pump RE: [uuc] Re: Buying older 3 series Re: [uuc] Automanual (82' turbodiesel wagon, MB) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:37:50 -0500 From: "mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Automanual I was kidding Actually, I would prefer you to state the Automatic transmission in the exact way the builder did, AUTOMATIC 5spd transmission with selectable shift mode It has 3 modes E for economy, S for sport, M for manual selecting the gear to start in or maintain. M is not for performance, it is actually slower than using S mode. M is ONLY for starting on slippery surfaces, in a higher gear therefore reducing the chance of applying too much torque to break grip of the tires or holding a gear to maintain a steady pace in hills etc. Now I would love to know how that makes your Auto a Automanual, in the way you state it, it is misleading and false advertising IMO. Have turned a wheel or two in a AUTOMATIC M3, thank ya very much. Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: [uuc] Automanual > Maybe Mike would have preferred Automanual to be Hyphenated? "Auto-manual"? > .....This concept has been around for quite a while, but many of you may not > be old enough to remember it. > > Actually, when placing an online local newspaper ad a few days prior, when > making the year make and model selections, the choices for 1995 BMW M3 > Transmissions were either manual or "Automanual" (with no LOL foot note), > so, I made the mental note that that must it be an accepted term as I have > now seen that reference 3 or 4 other times on similarly equipped selectable > mode (Economy, sport, and manual selectable modes on the M3) transmissions > and specifically on at least one other M3 ad. > > I believe the intent is to let those who may not know, (Mike?) that the M3 > auto transmission is specifically designed with a manual shift mode. If > you put it "manual" and leave the trans in "D" at the next stop, your car > will be struggling to pull away from the stop in 5th gear. you will have to > manually shift up and down through all gear changes, just no clutch pedal. > > For those who may not be aware, an automatic transmission really is nothing > more than a manual transmission with multiple internal hydraulically > actuated clutch packs and a torque converter to smooth things out. Yeah, > there is a lot of plumbing in there to make it all happen, but still its a > 2,3,4, 5 or 6 speed transmission with full auto shifting or manual > "clutch-pedal-less shifting" > > I had a 72 VW beetle back in 75 that I think was called an "autostick" was > actually a clever contraption and it worked really well. It was a 3 speed > trans with a torque converter and a manually actuated clutch that was > energized by an electro-mechanical mechanism when ever you put your hand on > the shift lever. To shift, you would grab the shift lever which would > disengage the clutch, and then shift it just like a standard Full manual > shift-lever and to complete the shift process, you had to completely remove > your hand from the shift lever which would once again engage the clutch. I > worked very well, was very durable, handled the VWs horsepower to weight > ratio nicely and it was REALLY fun to watch someone unfamiliar with the car > try to drive it...now, that was definitely a "LOL" moment. > > Brian > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:46:10 -0500 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] '95 M3 Engine Noise Technically, it's a dry sump system, it's just wet, is all..... The S54B32 has dual pickups and a dual pump. The scavange pump pulls oil out of the front of the pan and delivers it to the rear of the pan. The main pump then pulls the oil from the rear of the pan and delivers it to the engine. This system works in the same way a true dry sump system works, except it's contained within the oil pan. - ----------------------------------------------------- BMW Special Tool Rentals Pay per incident tech support - ----------------------------------------------------- Brett Anderson KMS (440) 338 1650 www.koalamotorsport.com OSS committee member > > If you notice the new e46 M3 has a dry sump system to avoid this problem. > > huh ? when did the M3 get a dry sump system from the factory. I don't think > you get dry-sump oiling in anything but exotics like Ferraris & such. it does > have an oil cooler as stock, which the earlier 3.0/3.2l US engines don't have. > the thing the S54 motor does have is solid lifters, so there is no way for the > lifters to get starved of oil since they don't use oil in the same way the > hydralic liftered engines do. > Ben > S52B32 US, S50B30 euro, S38B35 US - lifters galore :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:05:40 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: S54 wet dry sump KMS - Brett Anderson wrote: > Technically, it's a dry sump system, it's just wet, is all..... > > The S54B32 has dual pickups and a dual pump. The scavange pump pulls oil out > of the front of the pan and delivers it to the rear of the pan. The main pump > then pulls the oil from the rear of the pan and delivers it to the engine. > > This system works in the same way a true dry sump system works, except it's > contained within the oil pan. thanks for the clarification. have you ever heard of people with starvation issues on S50/S52 engines ? is the theory that the S54 is that much more high strung than the S50B32 that it needs a set-up like this or is it just a measure to ensure added long-term durability ? Ben likes to learn new stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:12:57 -0600 From: "Brian Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E46 M3 Dry sump/wet sump Wassup? this from www.eruopeancarweb.com Below that stiff crank, forged connecting rods and graphite-coated pistons sits a semi-dry-sump lubrication system. The cast aluminum oil pan holds all the engine's oil low, behind the front crossmember where it is shielded from the crankshaft to prevent windage losses. Because the M3's prodigious cornering forces and the engine's 30-degree slant as it is mounted in the engine compartment conspire to prevent oil from draining back into the pan during hard left turns, a scavenging pump has to be used to pump oil back down into the pan. Also below those 11.5:1 pistons are oil squirters to carry heat away from the bottom of the pistons. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:04:50 -0600 From: Sean Cordone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Automanual Not true, it's also useful (i.e. smoother) for forcing a downshift in preparation for passing (rather than waiting for kickdown via the pedal), and for holding a desired gear through a turn. --SC mike wrote: >M is not for performance, it is actually slower than using S mode. M is >ONLY for starting on slippery surfaces, in a higher gear therefore reducing >the chance of applying too much torque to break grip of the tires or holding >a gear to maintain a steady pace in hills etc. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:21:24 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Timing Belt and Water Pump on 3/11/03 10:02 AM, "Chris Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The water pump should be O.K. as well, as it is late enough to be of the > metal impeller variety. It may still be recommended to change the > thermostat housing; I think it is still plastic on the '96's? I still > have the plastic one in my '94, but have an aluminum replacement on hand > for when I get around to it. Not so fast! Plastic impeller water pumps were used at least through 5/96 production, maybe later in some cases. Ask me how I know... Neil 96 M3 - 5/96 production ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:35:48 -0500 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Automanual On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Dave Kelley wrote: > HaHa... E36 M3's still have either a manual or an automatic... period! <G> > Nobody wants the automatics except for their wives, even if you call it an "AutoManual"! <g> Careful there Dave! If my wife (hers is the 1995 E36 M3 5-Speed manu-manual) reads this, she'll stick a Momo shift knob so far up your-- Anyhow, I for one am glad she's not reading. Better find someone else (cabbies? city folk?) to pawn slush boxes off on. :) Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:39:39 -0500 From: "Chris Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Timing Belt and Water Pump Sorry to mislead. I thought it was sooner, but I've never had one of those new high-tech OBDII type models <g>. Chris B. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Maller > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] Re: Timing Belt and Water Pump > > > on 3/11/03 10:02 AM, "Chris Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The water pump should be O.K. as well, as it is late enough > to be of the > > metal impeller variety. It may still be recommended to change the > > thermostat housing; I think it is still plastic on the > '96's? I still > > have the plastic one in my '94, but have an aluminum > replacement on hand > > for when I get around to it. > > Not so fast! Plastic impeller water pumps were used at least > through 5/96 > production, maybe later in some cases. > > Ask me how I know... > > Neil > 96 M3 - 5/96 production ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:51:55 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Buying older 3 series Neil, Some of this depends on what your son is into. I'm assuming if he's the kind of guy who picked a Sentra SE-R (which was a pretty trick little car right from Nissan), then he's prolly at least a little bit of a car guy. Is he wanting to autocross or track a car? Is he into modding a car? Is he interested in DIYing it? You should be able to get a pristine E30 325is (89-90 seem to be the most coveted) for well within your price range. This is the kind of car that will take relentless beatings for hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of miles, as long as the basic preventative maintenance is done. The E30s will probably feel more familiar to your son, as they are pretty lightweight & nimble--not unlike the SE-R. If your son is interested in working on the car/learning to work on the car himself, just throw him some tools & the Bentley manual & let him go. These cars are really simple & very straightforward to work on. They have a HUGE aftermarket & almost a cult following. On top of that, it will be as reliable as hell. These cars also feel (both in touch & feel, as well as performance) remarkably modern considering they are probably nearing your son's age. There's also something just beautifully simplistic about the E30 325is. On top of that, they are very competitively classed in DS or DSP for SCCA autocross--if he's interested in that..... This is not to say that there's anything wrong with the E36, they're actually great cars too. But, they will be much closer to your price cap, which leaves less left over for unexpected repairs......plus, you can choose between a pristine E30 or an average E36 in your price range. I'm not 100% positive, but my initial indications with Kelly's E36 points to them being MUCH more complex......Out of the box, an E36 will be faster & handle better, but some thoughtful mods with an E30 can make that difference up pretty quickly, while still spending less. You can also consider a 318ti, which is kind of a blend of the E30 & E36. This car is kind of the red-headed stepchild that most people, aside from enthusiast nuts, shunned. In the end, it's a great little car that can be had in your target range.....just a little short on HP...... HTH, Lee 88 M3->I would say to avoid one of these, unless you've got a big budget...... > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:51 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] Re: Buying older 3 series > > > My son's '92 Sentra SE-R totalled this weekend by an SUV > that plowed into him while he was stopped. I'm looking to > replace car with older 3 series so he can be introduced to > joys of BMW ownership. > > Of the older 3 series, which are the most trouble-free? > What should I be looking for -- and what might I be able to > find -- in the $5-10,000 range. > > Advice/suggestions/leads much appreciated. TIA. > > Neil Simon > Wash, DC > 99 M Coupe > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:16:06 -0500 From: "Eurowerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Automanual (82' turbodiesel wagon, MB) Being as I manually shift my automatic 82' Mercedes turbodiesel station wagon everyday, does that make it an AutoManual? :) I just love freedom of expression.... Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6206 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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