[uucdigest] Thursday, April 3 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6276
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: RE: [uuc] Potential Dex-Cool Class-Action Suit RE: [uuc] Potential Dex-Cool Class-Action Suit [uuc] Strut Mounts Re: [uuc] Re: Questions about adjustable shocks Re: [uuc] Potential Dex-Cool Class-Action Suit Re: [uuc] E36: questions about aux air pump and adjustable shocks RE: [uuc] Potential Dex-Cool Class-Action Suit [uuc] Re: <wob> crappy Saab alloys ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:45:47 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Potential Dex-Cool Class-Action Suit Of course, if you remove the lifetime fluids & go with, say redline, I could see a company like BMW voiding your warranty....I know they've done that one less grounds. A wisea$$ at the Saab dealer told Kelly that she needed to bring it to the Saab dealer for an oil change....any other oil would be dangerous to the car. Saab basically uses GM's cheap semi-syn blend (Exxon I believe). When she told him that I had been using Mobil 1 he said.....this still makes me laugh "there's no telling what stuff like that'll do to the engine." It's good to see that Saab is taking service writers from the same pool as BMW...... Of course, Saab is currently in a class-action suit (I keep getting notices) about low-profile tires. It seems that some idiot owners are suing Saab because the low-profile tires on the Viggens (45's) & SEs (50's), allow the wheels to be more easily damaged by road hazards, and that Saab negligently sold cars to hapless idiots with low-profile tires. I think 90% of these suits are completely baseless & pointless. They're a way for idiots who can't win the lottery to get theirs. I swear, some people should never be allowed to leave their homes.....then maybe they couldn't meet a mate & breed...... Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:23 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [uuc] Potential Dex-Cool Class-Action Suit > > > But Alex, > > How would you feel buying a car, the maker TELLS you that is > recommended to > leave it for 100k miles. AND you know nothing about cars. > > I think that changes the point. It is FALSE advertising > regardless of how > good the product is if it DOESNT achieve the claimed. > > I am just waiting for a few more years to see how well the > Lifetime fluid > trannies etc hold up in BMWs. Wonder what lawsuit is going > to challenge > the meaning of Lifetime. > > You could put water in a trans and claim it is lifetime > fluid, as the tranny > will fail so its life is over, haha. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: [uuc] Potential Dex-Cool Class-Action Suit > > > > "Brian Daley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Considering the recent discussion of a possible link > between coolant PH > > > and plastic radiator neck failure I thought folks might > be interested in > > > > > the following: > > > http://www.bigclassaction.com/class_action/dexcool.html > > > > Brian, > > I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. > > DexCool is an excellent coolant. Sulfate and silicate free > and with a low > pH level of 8.3. > > The coolant should be flushed every 2-3 years regardless of > what some > > sales/marketing monkey might be blabbering. > > IMHO, anyone who believes that coolant should be left alone > for 5+ years > > and 100+K miles fully deserves what's coming. > > > > > Brian Daley > > > 94 325ic (with Dex-Cool that's gonna get changed long > before 100K miles) > > > > Same here. > > > > alex f > > '95 M3 and '98 328i both filled with DexCool as well as a > mixture of Mobil > > 1 and RedLine lubes > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:05:57 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Potential Dex-Cool Class-Action Suit Lee, Hmm... idiots not leaving their homes... how do you think they hooked up with their siblings and became inbred in the first place?!!! ;-) - - (N)Jay Lee wrote: <stuff about SAAB oil> > I think 90% of these suits are completely baseless & pointless. They're a > way for idiots who can't win the lottery to get theirs. I swear, some > people should never be allowed to leave their homes.....then maybe they > couldn't meet a mate & breed...... > > Lee > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:23 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [uuc] Potential Dex-Cool Class-Action Suit > > > > > > But Alex, > > > > How would you feel buying a car, the maker TELLS you that is > > recommended to > > leave it for 100k miles. AND you know nothing about cars. > > > > I think that changes the point. It is FALSE advertising > > regardless of how > > good the product is if it DOESNT achieve the claimed. > > > > I am just waiting for a few more years to see how well the > > Lifetime fluid > > trannies etc hold up in BMWs. Wonder what lawsuit is going > > to challenge > > the meaning of Lifetime. > > > > You could put water in a trans and claim it is lifetime > > fluid, as the tranny > > will fail so its life is over, haha. > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [uuc] Potential Dex-Cool Class-Action Suit > > > > > > > "Brian Daley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Considering the recent discussion of a possible link > > between coolant PH > > > > and plastic radiator neck failure I thought folks might > > be interested in > > > > > > > the following: > > > > http://www.bigclassaction.com/class_action/dexcool.html > > > > > > Brian, > > > I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. > > > DexCool is an excellent coolant. Sulfate and silicate free > > and with a low > > pH level of 8.3. > > > The coolant should be flushed every 2-3 years regardless of > > what some > > > sales/marketing monkey might be blabbering. > > > IMHO, anyone who believes that coolant should be left alone > > for 5+ years > > > and 100+K miles fully deserves what's coming. > > > > > > > Brian Daley > > > > 94 325ic (with Dex-Cool that's gonna get changed long > > before 100K miles) > > > > > > Same here. > > > > > > alex f > > > '95 M3 and '98 328i both filled with DexCool as well as a > > mixture of Mobil > > > 1 and RedLine lubes > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:09:04 -0800 From: "Mendoza, Al" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Strut Mounts The time has come to replace all for struts however, I don't know how to tell if the strut mounts requires replacement as well. Your advice and suggestions will be appreciated. The car an '88, E32, 735i with 129k on the clock. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:09:40 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Questions about adjustable shocks on 4/3/03 2:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > BTDT and could not disagree MORE. > Read comments within. > No need to remove the RSM. Just the unscrew the brace from inside the rear > wheel well and take the shock out with the RSM still attached. > If you had not cut the rear bump stop, it may be necessary to remove the > center of the GC RSM to get the long bump stop out of the way. Alex, If you can compress the shock enough to engage the internal adjustment mechanism without first removing the foam bump stops, then by definition your bump stop is serving no purpose. Conversely, if you do have functioning foam bump stops, it is necessary first to separate the RSM from the shock in order to remove the bump stop. On all the other points I defer to your apparent experience, hitherto quite unsuspected by me, as a former OB-GYN and Sumo wrestler. <g> > I had gotten the process down to a 5 step 5-10 minute per side process > until I got bored with the adjustments and left them alone. The shock > adjustment novelty took all of 2-4 months to wear off. Exactly. Most people come to think of the normal Koni SA rears as "pre-settable" rather than "adjustable." However now that there's a reasonably priced externally adjustable version, we all can have the opportunity to screw up our suspension settings much more easily. (Note that it's always been possible to have Koni SAs custom modified for external adjustment, but it was stupidly expensive.) Neil 96 M3 - Koni adjustable rears, were pre-settable ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:10:50 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Potential Dex-Cool Class-Action Suit mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But Alex, > How would you feel buying a car, the maker TELLS you that is recommended > to leave it for 100k miles. AND you know nothing about cars. Good point. I would probably feel screwed if the cooling system had not been opened for 100K miles and then suddenly failed due to gunky coolant. But what is the chance of the coolant system staying intact for 100-150K miles? Domestic thermostats last 20-50K miles. Water pumps 30-60K. Hoses rot and start leaking, etc, etc. I'm only surprised that DexCool marketing geniuses had not learnt from BMW and not pushed their product as a 'lifetime coolant'. Conveniently omitting whose lifetime is being tracked. > I think that changes the point. It is FALSE advertising regardless of how > good the product is if it DOESNT achieve the claimed. > I am just waiting for a few more years to see how well the Lifetime fluid > trannies etc hold up in BMWs. Wonder what lawsuit is going to challenge > the meaning of Lifetime. That's the sadest part - that in this country it takes a freaking lawsuit to knock some sense into the marketing eagles. The BMW 'lifetime fluid' is a self-fulfilling prophecy: the tranny will last until it croaks. If you had never touched the fluid - wallah - you've got yourself lifetime fluid in there. I took too long to replace BMW lifetime fluid in my wife's '98 328i. At 50K miles the oil pan and filter were covered with metal 'dust' and the gaskets had welded themselves to the tranny and torque converter. It took 2-3 hour of scraping, sweearing, cutting and soaking in tranny fluid (BTW it was nice and clean looking) to remove the old gaskets. Whoever recommended 30K slushbox fluid/filter swaps was right. I'm sticking to that interval from now on. > You could put water in a trans and claim it is lifetime fluid, as the > tranny will fail so its life is over, haha. Amen, brother. alex f ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:13:51 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] E36: questions about aux air pump and adjustable shocks "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fake the sensor? The air burns the rich mixture to clean the exhaust > and heat the catalyst faster. I have to claim ignorance of the internal workings of the cat. I thought dumping unburnt fuel into the cat will burn it off and heat the cat up faster? If not pumping enough oxygen into the cat at start up might lead to its early demise I might move my noisy cat air pump replacement to the top of my to-do list. alex f > whine. I believe the root cause is the silly air pump that dumps oxygen > into the cat to fake the emission sensors into thinking that the car is > not running rich during startup (which it does intentionally). A > replacement pump is my to-do list, but since it is not a critical > component, this project is presently on the back burner. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:15:56 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] Potential Dex-Cool Class-Action Suit "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think 90% of these suits are completely baseless & pointless. > They're a way for idiots who can't win the lottery to get theirs. > I swear, some people should never be allowed to leave their homes > .....then maybe they couldn't meet a mate & breed...... Lee, Wouldn't that just result in yet more in-breeding? ') alex f ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:18:06 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: <wob> crappy Saab alloys Lee wrote: > Of course, Saab is currently in a class-action suit (I keep getting notices) > about low-profile tires. It seems that some idiot owners are suing Saab > because the low-profile tires on the Viggens (45's) & SEs (50's), allow the > wheels to be more easily damaged by road hazards, and that Saab negligently > sold cars to hapless idiots with low-profile tires. this is perhaps not so crazy as it sounds. a friend had/has a Viggen as a test car at his job & they have bent multiple wheels. he says the wheels are just really soft & easily damaged by the roads. I think it's more a function of a poorly designed (or metallurgically weak) wheel more than thin tires. I drove my M coupe around Detroit's "roads" for 45k & never had pothole related tire problems. the wheels aren't particularily light nor heavy either, just well designed for the type of abuse they got from me apparently. I know a lot of people have complained about the original E36 M3 wheels, esp when combined with the '95 fitment 235/40 tires. I suspect that BMW (& other companies) got wise to better durability testing for wheels when they knew they'd be driven on our poor roads & potentially not maintained (not checking air pressure, rotating, etc) by American owners. Ben nice cushy snow tires still on M5 ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6276 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com |__________________________________________
