[uucdigest] Monday, June 23 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6495
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] ADMIN: A word about common decency RE: [uuc] Tires [uuc] <FS> Supersprint muffler, DEC cat [uuc] Re: For Sale, E34 M5 Brakes, Complete [uuc] <e36><m3> Track Pads Re: [uuc] <e36><m3> Track Pads Re: [uuc] <e36><m3> Track Pads Re: [uuc] <e36><m3> Track Pads Re: [uuc] <e36><m3> Need baseline for Victoracer tire pressures Re: [uuc] <e36><m3> Track Pads [uuc] Pad choice was Brake upgrades for E34 525 [uuc] Odometer lights dimmed out?? RE: [uuc] <e36><m3> Need baseline for Victoracer tire pressures ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:15:12 -0400 From: UUC Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] ADMIN: A word about common decency All, It's increasingly common these days for people to not remove themselves from the list when they either don't want to be a member anymore or change email addresses. Instead they do things like "block mail from this sender". Not to pick on any one group, but AOL subscribers have been very bad about this lately. Example (name replaced with "jerk" to protect the guilty): - ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to air-zd04.mail.aol.com.: >>> RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <<< 550 jerk IS NOT ACCEPTING MAIL FROM THIS SENDER Sounds like the easy thing to do, right? Unfortunately for those of us who have the role of "postmaster" - this generates a mess for us. We have to sort through hundreds and sometimes thousands of bounce messages (I had 1700+ to sort through today) and try to figure out why the mail is bouncing. Then we have to remove the person in question if warranted and in general waste a lot of time because someone is too lazy to issue the command to majordomo to remove themselves. With all that said, if you remember nothing else, remember this: Please remove yourself if your address is changing or you don't want to be on the list. If you cannot figure out how to do so by following the simple instructions listed here: http://www.uucdigest.com/listinfo/index.html , please send me an email and I'll do it for you. This list is by request only, we've never added anyone without their asking to be here. We'll gladly remove you if that is your wish. 'nuff said, Back to our regularly scheduled BMW mania. Michael K Donohue System Administrator UUC Digest http://www.uucdigest.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:22:50 -0600 From: "Bob Sutterfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Tires Steve Albrecht wrote: > I'll cast my vote for the new Yokohama ES-100 tires. I like them too. They replaced Yok AVS Intermediates (previous occupant of the same slot in the Yokohama product line) on both our cars. > However my wallet sure knows the difference. The Sports were > about $250 each, and the ES-100 are about $125. I am truly > impressed with the price/performance ratio of these tires. Discount Tire sold me the ES-100 225/50-16 mounted and force-balanced (Hunter GSP9700) for $125 apiece. Smooooooth and quick. - -- Bob Sutterfield '87 E30 325iS http://bmwe30.net #1129 DAS KAR '88 E28 535iS http://m535i.org #154 IHR FUNF '93 T4 EV MV Weekender BELUGA BMWCCA #169277 Rocky Mountain Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:24:56 -0400 From: Jack - Elephant Motorsports <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <FS> Supersprint muffler, DEC cat For an E30 M3: I have a used Supersprint street muffler with DTM tips for sale. This is the muffler that Simon Hunter had for sale a few weeks ago. I bought it for a street car project that did not materialize, now I don't need it. Asking what I paid for it, $225 plus shipping. It's in great shape. I also have a brand new, never installed or used DEC catalytic converter. Lighter and freer flowing than stock. $400 plus shipping. Email if you're interested, thanks! Jack Money #86 JP M3 Elephant Motorsports, INC. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:20:34 -0400 From: "Mel Abrahams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: For Sale, E34 M5 Brakes, Complete Jim- What setup did you go with for the M5? Mel A www.abrahamsmotorsport.com '91 E34 M5 '88 E30 M3 Track Car _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:26:23 -0400 From: "Mel Abrahams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <e36><m3> Track Pads Have you tried Hawk HT10 pads? I found them more rotor friendly than the Blues and they don't leave that messy blue residue on your wheels.They also grab better. Mel A www.abrahamsmotorsport.com '91 E34 M5 '88 E30 M3 Track car _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:47:03 -0700 From: "Joe Elwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <e36><m3> Track Pads I run HT-10 pads on the track with my Coleman rotors/AP calipers on my 95 M3. They really grab well when they get up to temp. Pad residue is a reddish powder that doesn't seem to have ever hurt any wheels I've used with them. They do seem awfully abrasive though, so I change back to softer pads for the drive home. Joe - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Abrahams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: [uuc] <e36><m3> Track Pads > Have you tried Hawk HT10 pads? > I found them more rotor friendly than the Blues and they don't leave that > messy blue residue on your wheels.They also grab better. > Mel A > www.abrahamsmotorsport.com > '91 E34 M5 > '88 E30 M3 Track car > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:57:23 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <e36><m3> Track Pads Second vote on the Hawk HT-10's, or even the HT-14's (next step up beyond the HT-10's). Much better than the Blues in every way (except for price). I run them with stock rotors and they're simply amazing. I get my Hawk brakes from Bimmerworld - www.bimmerworld.com Eric M. Foster Performify.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:33:15 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <e36><m3> Track Pads [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Second vote on the Hawk HT-10's, or even the HT-14's (next step up > beyond the HT-10's). Much better than the Blues in every way (except > for price). I run them with stock rotors and they're simply amazing. The HT10's don't have the bite of the Blues, though. My next set will probably be HT15's. - - Mark - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:29:54 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] <e36><m3> Need baseline for Victoracer tire pressures Donn wrote: >Next weekend I plan to take the T2/IS car out for the first time next >weekend. I'm running Victoracers, 225/45/17 all around. Can someone give >me a baseline pressure (cold and hot, if possible) to begin with? I'd check the Tirerack site they usually have a care and feeding section on R-compound tires. Anyhoo I think Victoracers should be run at about 40psi hot, most definitely double check that. >Also, what is the recommended wheel torque spec for the e36 M3? I'm pretty sure most BMWs w/alum wheels have a 75-80 ft-lbs torque spec, I however tighten mine up a little more during track weekends 90 ft-lbs. I think some racers actually go tighter than that, a lot of new wheels seem to loosen up with track use especially those ugly looking Koseis. :-) Carlos 91 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:35:20 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] <e36><m3> Track Pads Mark wrote: >The HT10's don't have the bite of the Blues, though. My next set will >probably be HT15's. Hmmm... I found the opposite to be true, the HT-10s have more initial bite. They do like more heat than the Blues though, I always drag my left foot on the brake pedal whenever entering the track to get heat on them and have never had a problem with intial bite. I've actually autoxed Ben's 332iS with HT-10s and had NO problems even w/o heat on the pads, the Blues tend to have that scary first application where you have no brakes until they heat up. Anyhoo, back to Don's question, the HT-10s are not easy on rotors either and you have to watch how much cooling you're getting to them. If I were to run milder pads I'd go to a Porterfield R4 and even though I've never tried them perhaps a Pagid Orange (I've heard they're easier to modulate) although I've never had issues modulating Hawk pads. Carlos. Motor City Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:00:01 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Pad choice was Brake upgrades for E34 525 Michael wrote: >I've been told that perhaps the *cool willy* pads might be a better pad for >me on the street. Whats the generally recommended pad here? I think I'm in 100% agreement with what Rich posted. Perhaps you are having off gas problems with your pads but consider those are really old pads and among the worst pads made these days, the EBC pads you mentioned are probably *the* worst pads these days. Again as Rich said I'd get new front Balo rotors and try a better street pad. I like to autox my car so I like upgraded pads, my choice was the Hawk HP+ for the front and Hawk HPS in the rear only because Bob Tunnell also made this choice and I doubt a single person on this list can outdrive him in an autox course. My second choice would be Porterfield R4S pads. I think those two items will make a noticeable difference over powerslotted rotors and Metal Masters. You should not be able to make either of these pads fade unless you're on a road course, if you do you should be arrested. ;-) If you're fading race pads, then you either don't have enough cooling or your braking technique needs work, on the track you need to be on the brakes quickly but yet smoothly and off the pedal as soon as possible. I've never warped rotors (now I'm not the best under braking either) but you read about folks warping rotors on E36 M3s which have much larger brakes than my car and I'm convinced it's 100% the driver's fault. Last, try some better brake fluid... I know a place that has Castrol SRF on sale, (scratch & dent sale) $30 a bottle instead of the normal $75-80. www.elephantmotorsports.com Carlos :) 91 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:00:15 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Odometer lights dimmed out?? The Odometer and tripometer gauge on my fiance's 1998 318 Ti just dimmed nearly out two days ago. All the other lights work fine. You can still see the numbers in certain light at certain angles, but the lights are all but faded away. They do still function, as in tracking mileage. Any suggestions before I start pulling the cluster? Phil 95 325Ti 98 318Ti ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:15:41 -0400 From: "Michael Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <e36><m3> Need baseline for Victoracer tire pressures Carlos wrote: >I'm pretty sure most BMWs w/alum wheels have a 75-80 ft-lbs torque spec, I >however tighten mine up a little more during track weekends 90 ft-lbs. I think >some racers actually go tighter than that, a lot of new wheels seem to loosen up with >track use especially those ugly looking Koseis. :-) I do not think that exceeding torque spec is a good idea at all, even for the track (especially for the track!). Rather a good practice is to torque the wheels to spec cold, go out and run, come back in and let the wheels cool down, and re-torque them. The issue is that they expand when hot, so if you torque them hot they can end up siezing and breaking on you, or if you over-torque them cold they can expand and sieze on you. Either way it's not a great scenario... Best bet is to torque the wheels to 80 ft-lbs prior to every on-track session and you'll likely have no troubles at all.... Cheers, Mike 97 M3 IP #121 - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] <e36><m3> Need baseline for Victoracer tire pressures Donn wrote: >Next weekend I plan to take the T2/IS car out for the first time next >weekend. I'm running Victoracers, 225/45/17 all around. Can someone give >me a baseline pressure (cold and hot, if possible) to begin with? I'd check the Tirerack site they usually have a care and feeding section on R-compound tires. Anyhoo I think Victoracers should be run at about 40psi hot, most definitely double check that. >Also, what is the recommended wheel torque spec for the e36 M3? I'm pretty sure most BMWs w/alum wheels have a 75-80 ft-lbs torque spec, I however tighten mine up a little more during track weekends 90 ft-lbs. I think some racers actually go tighter than that, a lot of new wheels seem to loosen up with track use especially those ugly looking Koseis. :-) Carlos 91 M3 ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6495 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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