[uucdigest]          Sunday, August 10 2003          Volume 03 : Number 6648



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In this BMW UUC Digest:

       [uuc] lug bolts stuck
       [uuc] Old thread re: E36 software updates?
       [uuc] Rough idle on '99 M3
       RE: [uuc] Re: "Renting a BMW in the SF Bay Area" Link
       Re: [uuc] Re: "Renting a BMW in the SF Bay Area" Link
       Re: [uuc] lug bolts stuck
       RE: [uuc] Info on negotiating a lease return [uucdigest] V3 #6640
       [uuc] broken radiator plug
       [uuc] '93 525iT radiator

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 16:18:48 -0500
From: "M Kittock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] lug bolts stuck

I'm in the middle of finally swapping my street pads back in (DE was back
in May) and having troubles getting the lug bolts off.  Usually they come
off OK.  I don't have an impact wrench, I use one of those "+" style lug
wrenches - I found own that actually fits the head correctly.  Anyway, I've
just finished the first wheel and eventually got them all off - but it took
standing on one side of the wrench, etc.  The wheels are aftermarket OZ,
bolts some sort of chrome plated finish.  But the threads are corroding -
some rust, some white stuff (could be salt residue but these wheels & lugs
usually don't see winter).  I know the BMW specs are based on dry threads
but should I at least put some WD40 on the threads to clean them up first? 
The last time I had this problem it was a frew months after a shop had the
wheels off and on and assumed they overtorqued - but this time its me and I
always hand torque.  Any other suggestions?

Thanks!   Now back out to the garage...


Mark Kittock
'96 328i Sport Pkg;  many mods
'00 Durango
'97 Contour SE (gone)
'86 CRX Si (gone)
'86 944 turbo (gone)

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Neil N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Old thread re: E36 software updates?

Group,

I seem to recall a discussion here a while back about
someone who took their car into the dealership for
service, and as a fix, received a software update to
their car from the dealer.  As I remember, the updated
software had some undesirable characteristic that
could then not be reversed.

My car's going in this week, and they mentioned a
possible software update, and I just wanted to check
and see if anyone had any recollection of this.

Thanks,

Neil
1999 M3

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:37:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Neil N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Rough idle on '99 M3

Group,

My 1999 M3 (23k miles) does a strange thing at cold
startup.  About 15 seconds after I start it, it begins
to run really rough, for about 20 seconds.  The idle
does not visibly fluctuate, but the motor is running
so rough you can feel the car shaking.  After the 20
seconds or so, it's completely normal, and runs great.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Neil
1999 M3
1994 325is

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:40:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jason Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: "Renting a BMW in the SF Bay Area" Link

I think this is what folks are looking for:

http://www.rand0m.org/images/bimmer/

Jason
- --- Dennis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks, Brad, but I don't think that the information
> you provided is the
> info that jkerouac was referring to, nor the
> pictures that Stan (and I) were
> hoping to find....
> 
> vty,
> 
> --Dennis
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
> Of Brad Houser
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 1:25 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: "Renting a BMW in the SF Bay
> Area" Link
> 
> 
> I couldn't find the original link, but I did once
> rent an E36
> convertible to test the trunk size before I did a
> Euro delivery of my
> former E36 M3C.
> 
> You will pay for the privilege of driving "Blau Mit
> Weiss".
> 
> Some sources:
> 
> http://www.cityrentacar.com/
> http://www.specialtyrentals.com
> 
> Brad Houser
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Stan
> > Jackson Jr.
> > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:57 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [uuc] Re: "Renting a BMW in the SF Bay
> Area" Link
> >
> >
> > You or someone else has mentioned this link
> previously.  I
> > could not find it before and I cannot find it now.
>  If it is
> > so tantalizing, provide a direct url!
> >
> > Stan
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:40:04 -0700
> > > From: jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: RE: [uuc] GOD, I love my wife
> > >
> > > RE: [uuc] GOD, I love my wife:
> > >
> > > If you wouldn't mind a somewhat unknown
> quantity, you could
> > check out
> > > the
> > link on the 'Unofficial BMW Website' link for
> "Renting a BMW
> > in the SF Bay Area".  Possibly not the type of
> rental the
> > site's creator intended, though we do know she at
> least has
> > an interest in BMWs.  Not sure what it is she
> wants you to
> > rent however.  lol.
> > >
> > > 'jk
> > >
> >
> 

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:53:22 -0700
From: donna seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: "Renting a BMW in the SF Bay Area" Link

Oh, that - no, it's not the same at all...
except for the pricey part...

:)

On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 06:40  PM, Jason Knight wrote:

> I think this is what folks are looking for:
>
> http://www.rand0m.org/images/bimmer/
>
> Jason
> --- Dennis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Thanks, Brad, but I don't think that the information
>> you provided is the
>> info that jkerouac was referring to, nor the
>> pictures that Stan (and I) were
>> hoping to find....
>>
>> vty,
>>
>> --Dennis
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
>> Of Brad Houser
>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 1:25 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: "Renting a BMW in the SF Bay
>> Area" Link
>>
>>
>> I couldn't find the original link, but I did once
>> rent an E36
>> convertible to test the trunk size before I did a
>> Euro delivery of my
>> former E36 M3C.
>>
>> You will pay for the privilege of driving "Blau Mit
>> Weiss".
>>
>> Some sources:
>>
>> http://www.cityrentacar.com/
>> http://www.specialtyrentals.com
>>
>> Brad Houser
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Stan
>>> Jackson Jr.
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:57 PM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: [uuc] Re: "Renting a BMW in the SF Bay
>> Area" Link
>>>
>>>
>>> You or someone else has mentioned this link
>> previously.  I
>>> could not find it before and I cannot find it now.
>>  If it is
>>> so tantalizing, provide a direct url!
>>>
>>> Stan
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:40:04 -0700
>>>> From: jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> Subject: RE: [uuc] GOD, I love my wife
>>>>
>>>> RE: [uuc] GOD, I love my wife:
>>>>
>>>> If you wouldn't mind a somewhat unknown
>> quantity, you could
>>> check out
>>>> the
>>> link on the 'Unofficial BMW Website' link for
>> "Renting a BMW
>>> in the SF Bay Area".  Possibly not the type of
>> rental the
>>> site's creator intended, though we do know she at
>> least has
>>> an interest in BMWs.  Not sure what it is she
>> wants you to
>>> rent however.  lol.
>>>>
>>>> 'jk
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:56:03 -0400
From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] lug bolts stuck

WD 40 will help a little.  I use anti-seize on my lug bolts and torque to
about 50 ft-lb, but I don't use a torque wrench, I torque to the "hard
spot".

Gary Derian


> I'm in the middle of finally swapping my street pads back in (DE was back
> in May) and having troubles getting the lug bolts off.  Usually they come
> off OK.  I don't have an impact wrench, I use one of those "+" style lug
> wrenches - I found own that actually fits the head correctly.  Anyway,
I've
> just finished the first wheel and eventually got them all off - but it
took
> standing on one side of the wrench, etc.  The wheels are aftermarket OZ,
> bolts some sort of chrome plated finish.  But the threads are corroding -
> some rust, some white stuff (could be salt residue but these wheels & lugs
> usually don't see winter).  I know the BMW specs are based on dry threads
> but should I at least put some WD40 on the threads to clean them up first?
> The last time I had this problem it was a frew months after a shop had the
> wheels off and on and assumed they overtorqued - but this time its me and
I
> always hand torque.  Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks!   Now back out to the garage...
>
>
> Mark Kittock
> '96 328i Sport Pkg;  many mods
> '00 Durango
> '97 Contour SE (gone)
> '86 CRX Si (gone)
> '86 944 turbo (gone)
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:27:54 -0400
From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [uuc] Info on negotiating a lease return [uucdigest] V3 #6640

Thanks, Phil

- -----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Marx
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [uuc] Info on negotiating a lease return [uucdigest] V3 #6640


Dennis,

Thanks for the thorough update on the lease return issue. I think 
much of what you found through BMW financial might be explained 
through one of the BMW programs for dealers concerning used cars. My 
personal knowledge of this program is from a couple of years ago, so 
I encourage insiders with more up-to-date knowledge to correct any or 
all of this.

BMW has a Full Circle program under which dealers sign-up (optional) 
to accept 100% of their lease returns at average Black Book wholesale 
value. That means the high mileage crap along with low mileage 
cherries. Since your selling dealer knows what he's paying to get the 
car back, he's more likely to offer a discount when you flip the car 
into a CPO conversion. On nice cars this works out quite well for a 
dealership but then BMW FS knows what the prevailing auction prices 
are for their sales (higher results than Black Book which is the 
average of all auctions, not just factory sales) and may well be 
reluctant to drop their pants on the residual since they've been 
spending big bucks for years to influence the price their returns 
bring going over the blocks they control or dominate.  This program 
also explains why many of the better BMW lease returns never make to 
into the hands of non-franchised BMW stores.

- -Phil Marx

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:50:18 -0500 (Central Standard Time)
From: "David DeBord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] broken radiator plug

I just flushed the coolant system. It was really messy and the engine drain
bolt was a beech! I was so excited when I finished flushing (did a final bit
with distilled water because passenger side wheel was on a ramp) that i was
a little careless with the radiator plug & it broke off! It's just a couple
of threads down. I know the best answer is to try to drill it out & replace
it (don't have access to one until Monday), but what do you think? It did'nt
seem to let any water out until the plug was almost all the way out. Would
you risk driving it or wait? I put some water in to check but it doesn't
seem to be leaking. Any idea how to remoe the old plug? I figure i coud use
something with a shrp point to try to stick it toward the outside edge, and
try to turn it.  This must happen often. I hardly even turned it but it was
with a screw driver. Just as it was snapping I was thinking that I read to
HAND-Tighten! OOUCH!
thanks
d 

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:20:16 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [uuc] '93 525iT radiator

The radiator on our '93 Touring is leaking from what appears to be a few inches above 
the coolant level sensor.  I suspect this is the 
seam area.  Unfortunate b/c the radiator was replaced a few years ago by the PO.

Has anybody had any experience w/Reseda Radiator?  They advertise in the Roundel.  Any 
other suggestions?  Should I need expect 
this to be a replacement item every few years?

According to Bentley, it doesn't seem at all difficult to replace, but our 
transmission is w/o dipstick.  Do I need to have a qualified 
technician check the trans fluid level after the radiator replacement?

Is there anything else, other than hoses, that I should look at or replace while the 
radiator's out?

TIA

Clarence
West Bend, WI

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