[uucdigest] Thursday, August 21 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6685
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: RE: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion RE: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion [uuc] Metric Mechanic [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion RE: [uuc] Metric Mechanic RE: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:46:12 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion yep. and why can't BMW come up with a fan that doesn't sound like you're in a force 5 hurricane when on top speed? I have to strap the cat to the floor when I turn on my kitchen exhaust fan, but I can still carry on a conversation. Marco in a whinny mood - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Wynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion > P.S. I LIKE the auto climate control in my car. I don't like that there is > no off switch or that the fan comes on with the car - but I love being able > to set it and forget it. With an analog control I was always too hot or > too cold. I'd yank it OUT of my E34 in a heartbeat if it was simple and put in the basic manual controls. I have yet to encounter a BMW automatic climate control that works well, doing something other than constantly overcompensating in each direction. Buick was doing it just fine 15 years ago, BMW still has not got the technology down pat. - - Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:11:54 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion > So are exactly right! When I was test driving the S4 and A6 turbos I > saw that and loved it. I ended up getting the 330i, but thought that > was a real trick control. Of course, I use my E46 moonroof > all the time but > I either pop it up or open it all the way. So the "turn it to > here for 1/2 > open" feature would really be of no use to me. I thought that feature was kind of a pointless gimmick on the S4 too. Isn't part of the point of a sunroof to let the air in? Kind of like using the wind buffer with a convertible. I mean if you don't want the wind & noise of driving outside, why not have a car with a top? I personally really like driving around with the wondows down & sunroof open. My car emits quite a nise aural sensation--without the silly engine subwoofer. I have a friend who's dad just got a 3.0 Z4 & thought the sunwoofer was cool because it gives the car a popping & roaring sound. I told him my car has always done that. > > Auto open and auto close on all windows (and moonroof) used to be hard > to find on cars - I guess the makers are afraid of getting sued, but > that is showing up on more and more cars now. > > Dennis > 330i silver/black/manual/sp/pp/xenon/cd > > P.S. I LIKE the auto climate control in my car. I don't like > that there is > no off switch or that the fan comes on with the car - but I > love being able > to set it and forget it. With an analog control I was always > too hot or > too cold. The off switch on the auto climate control was obviously a bone of contention with Saab owners as well. My 88 9000turbo has no off button on the ACC, my 01 9-3 does. I actually haven't found an ACC I really liked. There's always situations where it's not right, like cold, sunny days. In my Saab owner's manual it says that the car uses inside & outside temp sensors, cooled air sensors & a sun sensor to try & figure out how to control. Have fun diagnosing that in 10 years!!!!! Lee->off the clock for Alex ;-P 88 M3->manual climate control 88 9000turbo->ACC, just no cold air 01 9-3SE->ACC, programmable, with an OFF button ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:15:40 +0100 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes about Rodrigo's request for HVAC conversion to digital climate control: "> I want to change mine (1992 325i sedan) to a digital (1998). > How is it gonna be possible, what are the parts I'll need? Anything is possible given enough $$$." How true. It is by far better to change the car. While it is possible to retrofit the automatic climate control (IHKA) to a car fitted with rotary, manual A/C (IHKR), it is probably best to do it only if some other opportunity presents itself, like an electrical fire. One big obstacle is that the manual A/C panel controls the vents via Bowden cables, while the automatic unit eletronically controls stepper motors. Alex summarised the requisite parts concisely. Also make allowances for a $250+ climate control panel every few years - they have a habit of going pop. Andy T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:26:46 -0700 From: "JSN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Metric Mechanic I have a MM sport head on my M30. Had it installed for about 2 to 3 months. Craftsmanship appears lovely; harder to evalate effectiveness. My observation is that that Jim Rowe is primarily a machinist that specializes in high performance parts. I think you need to expect to be on your own for tuning the motor - fuel and ignition maps, integration with intake and exhaust, all that. That obviously has a lot to do with the final "power" outputs of a modified motor. Their site really doesn't discuss how they setup their engine controls to get the output they claim. Are they running stock chips and Motronic or? I think that's a really good question for them. BTW, would love to talk to folks with experience tuning a modified (ported head, cam) M30. thx, Jeff 90 535i - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: [uuc] RE: M30 valve noise, Metric Mechanic > Brad, this info may pre-date your participation here in UUC-Land, so I'll > regurgitate it as best as I can remember. At least one (maybe two, I can't > remember) list members bought MM engines. I don't remember which car or > which engine. But part of the reason they bought those engines was because > of the HP and torque claims in MM's ads. But when they put the cars on a > dyno, they found that the engines were barely making more power than stock, > nowhere near the numbers in MM's ads. One of those guys in particluar > contacted MM about the discrepancy, and was not happy that MM would not > remedy the situation or stand behind their power numbers. I don't think > the customers would have been unhappy if the power had even just come close > to the advertised numbers, but that was not the case. > > This could all be a case of one or two isolated incidents that are not > consistent with the typical results of MM's engines. Or it could be the > norm. The sampling is too small to know for sure. But you can see how one > might get the idea that MM is all talk and no substance, and that their > knowledge is debateable. > > In fairness, I have no personal experience here. But if/when it comes time > to rebuild my engine or buy a new one, my preference would be to shop > elsewhere. OK, the fact that they're halfway across the country from me > also has something to do with that. > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > > >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:02:18 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: M30 valve noise, Metric Mechanic > > > >That they make good product or that they know what > >they're talking about? > > > >I don't see how a couple of guys that have been > >opening up BMW engines since before I was born (which > >really isn't saying much, I guess) could be construed > >as not knowing anything about the engines. > > > >Brad Couvillon > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:59:42 +0100 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: "I wholeheartedly agree. One of the worst misfeatures of the E46 are the pushbutton climate controls --- I'm always envious of E36 dials that are easy to set and turn off." Ah. BMW, thankfully, still sells E46s new with basic, manual air-con. The panel - sporting three rotary dials, and three buttons - is electronic these days, and the "digital" one is apparently a simple plug-and-play. I don't know if the opposite is true (sorry Rob). But when you're tired of intuitive, operate-by-feel HVAC functions, it's good to know you can always replace them with climate control :). Andy T '03 318i 2.0. Analogue, steam, valve, imperial HVAC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:22:49 +1000 From: Kim Henshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Metric Mechanic Custom chip is really the only way to go.... Kim V Henshaw - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JSN Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 7:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Metric Mechanic I have a MM sport head on my M30. Had it installed for about 2 to 3 months. Craftsmanship appears lovely; harder to evalate effectiveness. My observation is that that Jim Rowe is primarily a machinist that specializes in high performance parts. I think you need to expect to be on your own for tuning the motor - fuel and ignition maps, integration with intake and exhaust, all that. That obviously has a lot to do with the final "power" outputs of a modified motor. Their site really doesn't discuss how they setup their engine controls to get the output they claim. Are they running stock chips and Motronic or? I think that's a really good question for them. BTW, would love to talk to folks with experience tuning a modified (ported head, cam) M30. thx, Jeff 90 535i - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: [uuc] RE: M30 valve noise, Metric Mechanic > Brad, this info may pre-date your participation here in UUC-Land, so I'll > regurgitate it as best as I can remember. At least one (maybe two, I can't > remember) list members bought MM engines. I don't remember which car or > which engine. But part of the reason they bought those engines was because > of the HP and torque claims in MM's ads. But when they put the cars on a > dyno, they found that the engines were barely making more power than stock, > nowhere near the numbers in MM's ads. One of those guys in particluar > contacted MM about the discrepancy, and was not happy that MM would not > remedy the situation or stand behind their power numbers. I don't think > the customers would have been unhappy if the power had even just come close > to the advertised numbers, but that was not the case. > > This could all be a case of one or two isolated incidents that are not > consistent with the typical results of MM's engines. Or it could be the > norm. The sampling is too small to know for sure. But you can see how one > might get the idea that MM is all talk and no substance, and that their > knowledge is debateable. > > In fairness, I have no personal experience here. But if/when it comes time > to rebuild my engine or buy a new one, my preference would be to shop > elsewhere. OK, the fact that they're halfway across the country from me > also has something to do with that. > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > > >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:02:18 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: M30 valve noise, Metric Mechanic > > > >That they make good product or that they know what > >they're talking about? > > > >I don't see how a couple of guys that have been > >opening up BMW engines since before I was born (which > >really isn't saying much, I guess) could be construed > >as not knowing anything about the engines. > > > >Brad Couvillon > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:49:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Howard Siegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Digital Climate Control Conversion On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Robinson, Lee wrote: > [RE: half open sunroof...] > I thought that feature was kind of a pointless gimmick on the S4 too. Isn't > part of the point of a sunroof to let the air in? Kind of like using the > wind buffer with a convertible. I mean if you don't want the wind & noise > of driving outside, why not have a car with a top? More and more I've started driving with all the windows down and the sunroof open all the way. Even though it can get a tad noisy at higher speeds, it just feels so right! However, as I'm of mild skin color and have gotten increasingly folicly challenged over the years, on a very sunny day (as most are here in SoCal) in order to keep the top of my head from burning, I have been known to only open the sunroof part way. You still get a good air flow, but it keeps most of the direct sun off the top of my noggin. A switch setting that would make the sunroof stop opening at the halfway point would be kinda nice to have, but it's not a necessity. - - h - -- hsiegel~at~pobox~dot~com <*> Netcom Class of '93, RIP Netcom! ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6685 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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