I fully agree with Drew. Maintaining closed lists is a (bad) behavior from the times of OpenOffice.org and should be abandoned if you want to have a good and clear relationship with the community as a whole. Closed lists caused a lot of problems and distrust in brazillian community. Actually we have no hidden lists anymore. Particular or urgent matters are threated through direct e-mails or Gtalk contacts.
Cheers! 2011/8/11 drew <[email protected]> > On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:28 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > Hi Drew, > > > > While there's a list for confidential matters > > and it would be good to: > > 1- Disclose _all_ private lists used by TDF, along with who in the > community is on those lists. To do otherwise is to have both private and > secret lists. > > 2 - Disclose what is being discussed and what decisions are being made > on private lists, this can be done in a way that retains enough specific > detail to keep confidences, while being open and transparent to the > community at large. > > > > we intend and want to have a > > dexision making process that's transparent. > > Weekly public SC meetings, already in place. > > > This list was designed with the > > notion that it'd be both a formal tool (voting, opinions of the BoD > > members, etc.) > > Nothing there requires a separate list. > > > and a communication tool for important an urgent matters. > > You have each others email addresses and indeed email/contact > information for SC members is public. > You have an official announcement list, blog, facebook and twitter > accounts for urgent messages to the community. > > > My > > opinion is that if we were to switch over to the discuss list decisions > > would be lost in endless threads, > > Meaning you would have to live with it, just like the rest of us. > > > not followed by developers > > If they are not interested then why make them watch. > > > and in a few > > weeks you'd find yourself with less communication and unclear decision > > making. I think we want to have this list precisely because we want avoid > > distraction and create a more solemn / official list. > > Well, that reads to me as - if the SC where forced to use only the tools > the rest of us are stuck using, it would find it bothersome and > distracting to the point that people wold either stop contributing or > start doing things in private to avoid the distractions. > > Respectfully, > > Drew Jensen > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > [email protected] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: > http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 "Para que as pessoas conquistem a paz em suas relações, a paz espiritual e a paz entre os povos, é preciso que antes se ganhe a batalha interna das virtudes sobre os defeitos" - Talal Husseini - Filósofo Acropolitano "For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle between virtues and defects" - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
