What I would like to have is something like an >>I love your work button<<
when you add somewhere on forum, ask, bz, release notes, .... (everywhere)
a name of a community member you can click on the name come to his webpage
where you can click a like button or maybe an donate button. It's not like
a community member will think I want to have money, it's more like someone
(I didn't know) like my work, so I contribute more to LibO.

Am Mi., 8. Juli 2020 um 17:03 Uhr schrieb Kev M <[email protected]>:

> What if as part of the $5 (or $2, something accessible) annual co-op
> membership with Libreoffice you got access to the support forums? Those who
> wanted to spend the time to help support the project to provide free tech
> support to others would feel good knowing that the people they were helping
> were giving back to Libreoffice by being a co-op member, and those who were
> receiving one-off technical support would have to pay for the membership to
> get access to the support forum.
>
> Yes there would still be reddit and other channels, but knowing that using
> the forum to provide support might push those altruistic people to only use
> the forums to give support, and this could snowball into a larger
> membership.
>
> Just a thought I had rereading what I wrote. There's digital real estate
> here that can be monetized in a privacy respecting, non-community killing
> way that will also benefit eco-system partners IMO.
>
> On 08/07/2020 10:44 Kev M <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hopes this works as I've never used a mailing list before..
>
> 1) I'm making the assumption, not having this information, that Collabora
> Office is cheaper than Microsoft Office and other Office Suite software.
> How much cheaper is it? If it's just as functional as competitors but it is
> less expensive, and has other advantages, there is a profit-making market
> for it:
>
> 1) a) This is that it is open source, and can be reviewed and audited for
> security gaps. In Canada, Europe, Russia, and other countries there is a
> significant concern that geopolitics in entering into the realm of
> technology. Governments are becoming more concerned about the USA and China
> installing monitoring software for political and industrial espionage
> reasons.
>
> Why does Collabora not position itself as a secure/open-source/auditable
> solution to security issues. Isn't this the reason the German federal
> government chose Nextcloud, and the reason the Italian military chose
> Libreoffice?
>
> 1) b) To that point, Michael you raised points about the UK and French
> governments not paying for Libreoffice. This is surprising to me and
> shameful IMO. These would be large, relatively sustainable contracts to
> pursue, and I would suggest that working more with the FSFE's Public Money
> Public Code initiative, and presenting it to them from the perspective of;
> you're using things, we're having trouble sustaining it, we're hoping you
> will purchase, will be a potentially successful strategy. That or do they
> get that Collabora is the premiere developer and TDF isn't developing this
> for free? If they've already institutionalized the software it might be
> worth tugging at the rug under them a bit and telling them the project may
> not be able to continue as a going entity because the contractor they used
> is not providing any contributions to the development of the software. But
> this leads to my later point about trustmarks.
>
> 1) c) Does Collabora and/or the TDF not have a dedicated government
> relations advocacy employee in Europe/North America/Other market countries?
> There are many discussions that occur at the government relations level
> that lead to contracts and exposure of opportunities to companies.
>
> 2) That the TDF is not adequately promoting it's enterprise vendors is a
> failure of the TDF's marketing committee and the contractors that they
> hired. I have followed LO and AOO for years now and I've noticed that the
> TDF marketing committee is unwilling to promote LibreOffice in modern ways.
> There seems to be a lack of focus on communities outside the FOSS
> environment, which doesn't make sense because it's like setting up a booth
> to advertise bibles at a religious convention. Why does Libreoffice focus
> on attending FOSS conferences instead of International Government
> conferences? The NGOs that use LibreOffice for free would be obliged to let
> Libreoffice attend the WEF, Davos, and other places. Is there the potential
> that the leadership of the Marketing at TDF is not thinking out of the box,
> or too small?
>
> 3) SaaS model - recognizing that all the costs you just listed to set up
> small clients is cost prohibitive and that you would need to get 10,000+
> clients for it to be viable -- I would only suggest that because it's hard
> and maybe expensive doesn't preclude the idea that this may be one of the
> best options to generate sustainable income.
>
> 3) a) Personally I was excited at the opportunity to pay for LibreOffice
> support via Collabora as an individual. I couldn't, because I needed to
> have several employees first to justify it. Instead I donate to TDF, but
> apparently this money is holed up in a bureaucratic bunker because of
> issues of distribution. There's a couple problems here: 1) It suggests the
> TDF needs a regulatory review to streamline it's operations. 2) again, the
> TDF isn't being proactive enough - are the people working there the right
> people to accomplish the organizations mission, or are we just being polite
> because they've been loyal for a long time. In that case we might be
> looking at an old boys club situation.
>
> 3) b) In some non-profits, there is no ability to donate directly, the
> foundation is supported by the enterprise companies based on the profit
> they make. Could the TDF create a certification body with a Trustmark that
> says only these companies are able to provide enterprise support for
> Libreoffice. Meaning the TDF does not sanction other vendors slapping on
> Libreoffice to their solution and hoping it gets updated to fix bugs by
> Collabora and CIB, etc. These certified companies would then pay for the
> certification on an ongoing basis to remain in good standing, as well as
> donate to the TDF to maintain its operations. This would also have the
> effect of keeping TDF staff more accountable to metrics set by a small
> group of knowledgeable individuals. (Something would have to be done for
> keeping community representation available to unaffiliated citizens such as
> myself. Haven't thought that far.)
>
> 3) c) Just building on this and what others have written; Nextcloud has
> issues as well, but again, the LO website needs to do a better job of
> featuring vendors. I agree with what was written about displaying
> enterprise supported versions on the TDF website with a drop-down or some
> other format. As stated in point 3) b) I think instead of a donate button,
> saying that Libreoffice is free, but if you'd like to contribute to
> development and support, consider signing up for LibreOffice Online, or
> paying for a monthly or annual support license.
>
> 3) d) how are these large companies and governments sitting on advisory
> committees of TDF and not providing any funds for its growth?
>
> 4) Co-operative model - has the TDF considered setting up a model in which
> LibreOffice is run as a multi-stakeholder co-operative? This would entail
> paying an annual membership fee in order to vote for members of the board
> of directors. These non-corporate board members could then reflect member
> concerns and issues. People will pay for democracy if its a small amount,
> say $5 USD, a year. It creates a democratic institution, increases
> engagement, and also provides sustainable income. There are lots of people
> looking into the concept of platform co-ops to create sustainable software
> that doesn't sell-out.
>
> 5) Eurocentricity - If you read the document foundation planet -
> throughout the year the TDF sometimes features volunteers working in
> countries like India, Indonesia, and other low wealth countries where
> schools, non-profits, and small businesses are using LibreOffice to provide
> betterment to humanity. I get that we're looking for sustainability from
> rich enterprise countries, but I think it's possible that this is another
> marketing angle - Germany, France, the EU, the UK, Quebec/Canada, and other
> countries are starting to fund software to provide licenses to these poor
> countries. Can Collabora receive grants from the government aid
> organizations to give digital access to poor communities. Can this be
> position in a marketing way to rich people in rich countries that want to
> (at the end of the day, alleviate the guilt of their inequality) help
> others position TDF/Libreoffice as software helping the third world.
> Because it is already and it's not being marketed as such.
>
> 5 a) Does the TDF not have a grant writer to get funding from developed
> governments for the work they're already indirectly doing in these
> underdeveloped countries?
>
> Just some thoughts on how Libreoffice could evolve, generate income, and
> do things in a way that doesn't start creating "editions", which is a road
> to the destruction of the project. I also think someone earlier referenced
> that this could be interpreted as being against the TDF bylaws, so those
> might need to be changed anyway.
>
> I would recommend taking maybe 200k of that 1.5 million bucket and hiring
> a strategic consultant (not one from McKinsey, or Deloitte, or any of those
> profit maximizing consultancies) to look hard at the TDF's current
> management structure and operations, and provide recommendations on
> business model solutions. It sounds like there are structural issues and
> there hasn't been action on evolving the organization to look at new
> markets for things that Libreoffice is already really good at: namely -
> Privacy, Government costs, Public Money/Public Code, NGO/Emerging Market
> Aid grants and contracts.
>
> I'm being critical here but not trying to place blame on any particular
> person at the TDF. I've worked at organizations before where everyone is
> working too much for little pay based on the lack of understanding by
> sponsors/stakeholders at what's being done. And that is a
> marketing/communications/advocacy issue. I love the LO project and what it
> does for digital accessibility in poor countries, churches, community
> groups, and other places that Microsoft and other big-tech firms exploit. I
> don't want the wrong step to be taken that leads to the eventual loss of
> community of the project. (Which btw I still don't get the justification
> for the lack of a Discourse or NodeBB forum on TDF. How outdated is the
> ask.libreoffice software? 5 years now?)
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin
>
>

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