Thank Thorston I think the discussion was well and we have now something we can work with.
LibreOffice Community Edition If we wait for another 6 months nothing will happen. Only the spirit will go away and the community need a clear message how future will be. Design proposals can be done until next week meeting on 17.07. for LibreOffice and also for the webpage if we have a go for LibreOffice Community Edition. So that in the meeting you can vote for something to implement. So please give feedback in the design irc what are the guidelines. Cheers Andreas_k Michael Meeks <[email protected]> schrieb am Fr., 10. Juli 2020, 16:27: > > > On 10/07/2020 11:12, Florian Effenberger wrote: > > With all the feedback received, I strongly propose to leave 7.0 without > > tagging and finalize the plan for a later release. > > I share Thorsten's view. While I've generally been a big proponent > of > getting everything nailed down in one try, I would strongly prefer to > get a weaker solution "Community Edition" out which seems to be > collecting a weight of support against Personal. That support arriving > even before we had a clear write-up of the issues we want to solve. > Perhaps we can iterate it based on feedback, we at least generate some > hard data on its effectiveness. > > I would also really like to avoid stalling effective improvements > to > our website to encourage enterprises to support the project. The > improvements there to date have been really small and incremental, and > as we now know ineffective. > > > I know there are concerns this would delay things > > infinitely and nothing will happen, > > Ultimately, we're getting press, and interest, and relevance, and > feedback from the community: integrating that into something better > while people are interested sounds good to me. I'm sure marketing can > turn that into a success story. > > It is now widely known that the status-quo is working > extraordinarily > poorly. Rather than accepting and extending that for six months - I'd > prefer to use the momentum to encourage at least some improvement. > > > The name “Personal” excludes even small educational organizations, which > > are a part as per slide 29. It also excludes small NGOs - thinking of > > the local street worker office with two volunteers, or the youth care > ... > > but still, I think “Personal” sets the frame too strict. > ...> Also, if we go to universities for the budgeted campus ambassador > > program, with the above wording, even using in smaller working groups > ... > > I know the plan is to draw a line somewhere, but the above, at least for > > a non-native speaker, feels quite narrow. > > I really don't think we want to discourage contributing to > LibreOffice. > That's why it's important we get our marketing right. > > However carving out Education, Universities, NGOs, youth care - as > markets which should not support the project financially is really > unhelpful. > > It is hard to predict the future, and the best predictions are > sold to > people rather than being free but checkout: > > https://www.gminsights.com/industry-analysis/collaboration-software-market > > This has a pretty pie-chart in it "Canada Collaboration Software > Market > share by Application 2026": > > > https://www.gminsights.com/assets/img/collaboration-software-market-by-application.png > > Education is approaching 25% of that. > > In recent time, Education has been a bright point for actually > contributing to the ecosystem. > > As one example - we can now build and run on iOS and tablets > because of > a single education area in Switzerland - as well as a big chunk of > Adfinis and Collabora's investment. Perhaps a good thing we didn't tell > them that they don't have to contribute or get support. > > Education sales has helped to fuel a similarly significant chunk of > C'bras development team via sales in lockdown. > > It is quite unclear to me why some segments that pay for a premis, > heating, lighting, hardware, sysadmin time, network bandwidth, > deployment, a Windows OS ;-) and more should not be encouraged to > contribute to LibreOffice's growth. > > For our friends, we can sooth their conscience and tell them that > using > the Personal or Community version is just fine for them, and that we > contribute for them - or whatever =) that's easy to do personally > surely? That means we can help our friends and neighbours while not > killing the market for whole segments. > > > What we want to do is to very strongly encourage them, convince them, > > make things clear to them, because the project can only survive if there > > is sufficient funding, and the ecosystem is one of several key > > parameters for the success of TDF - we wouldn't be where we are without > > all of you, all of the community. > > Thanks for those words. > > > I find it much easier to celebrate things with a positive message than > > Problem is; this celebration party is great - but currently has > nearly > zero attendees =) The hosts are tapping their watches and wondering if > they even bothered to send an invitation out =) > > I would really like to see some messaging that we can show is > effective. > > > TDF is no different in this regard! We ourselves, we use lots of free > > software as an organization - be it for web, database, file services, > > mail, chat, conferencing and other servers. We have the skills in-house > > and we often rely on pre-compiled binaries from free software projects. > > We do contribute back e.g. by supporting upstream development, doing > > advocacy and working together on a common goal. > > I think this is generally acceptable in the society of FLOSS > projects > because we contribute very heavily ourselves. > > We don't spend our time complaining about Nextcloud mailing the > sysadmins of larger users' to suggest paying for support though =) or > for Ubuntu having a 'Pricing' button on its front-page or ... ;-) Most > of these other projects are doing the hard (but much easier) > corporate-owned FLOSS project branding thing. > > We show their brands rather regularly to our users - contributing > at > least that value to them. > > The brands we don't effectively show are from those of our > ecosystem > that contribute to LibreOffice ;-) > > > In the end, I trust the marketing team, I trust the board, I trust the > > community - and I’m sure our collective wisdom will bring up what is > > best for the project. > > That is a positive view. > > ATB, > > Michael. > > -- > [email protected] <><, GM Collabora Productivity > Hangout: [email protected], Skype: mmeeks > (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: > https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > >
