On Oct 1, 12:31 am, The Editor <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Markus <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Ok, great. I am glad you are sticking with us awhile longer! I was
> >> afraid we might have lost you to concrete5. :)
>
> > No way. Read the features page of BoltWire and you know why. ;)
>
> Sigh of relief... :)
>
> > It's hard to find functionality in concrete5 that is not easily put
> > together in BoltWire. But of course, some users don't want to put
> > anything together and don't want to read about concepts – incompatible
> > attitudes for using BoltWire, much more compatible with concrete5.
>
> Agreed. I didn't spend too much time there, because I sensed the same
> kind of underlying limitations that made me leave drupal and moodle.
> But it is true, BoltWire is not for everyone. Adding more plugins, and
> conceivably more features in the core might make it more accessible to
> others, however, so your point is well taken.
>
> > Let's go through some random features I stumbled upon:
>
> > 1) Lock the site for maintenance
> > What would I do in BoltWire? Set site.auth.view to admins only and
> > create an appropriate action.block.
>
> Yes we could have an action that renamed site.auth.view to
> site.auth.view.backup and then named site.auth.view.block to
> site.auth.view--with settings like you suggest. On my site, I've just
> modified index.php, or perhaps you could modify the skin. You just
> need ftp access to undo it. On the other hand, you could probably
> develop a plugin that simply said:
>
> echo "Site Under Construction...";
> die();
>
> That would do it. But again, how do you turn it off... I'm open to
> suggestions...
The action idea is my favorite. Because you can still browse your own
page. If you modify index.php or the skin, you probably can't.
I would probably create something like site.maintenance. At least in
the standard actions bar (which is already quite long) I wouldn't want
t see it.
The implementation seems pretty easy. I'll put it on my to do list –
but that's no guarantee. ;)
> > 2) Member management
> > Does BoltWire need on-site member management? Like displaying a list
> > of all members with their groups, last login date? Maybe some
> > functionality to rename or delete users etc.
>
> It would be nice to have some people develop a few plugins like this.
> Need someone to hammer out a set of tools a person could simply
> install and run with. I would really like to see more users create
> plugins systems (not code, but actions pages, headers, footers, etc)
> and maintain them. I'm stretched way too thin to maintain most of our
> existing 150+ plugins.
>
> > 2.1) Activate registered accounts
> > Some sites need to verify newly registered accounts before allowing
> > them to access the site. concrete5 has such an option.
> > I assume in BoltWire you just create a group, say "new_users" and
> > assign newly registered accounts to it. Then move them to your members
> > group when they are OK.
>
> Actually, you can have the registration page create a page like
> temp.login.caveman. Then in the header/footer of temp.login, markup
> that allows you to display their information as you wish, and then
> click a button to rename as login.caveman. That way they have no
> privileges until approved. A search function in temp.login, or some
> site page to list recent pages. Perhaps a button to delete pages you
> don't want to approve whatever.
Great implementation!
> > 2.2) Email activation
> > Many sites require users to provide an email address. Usually you have
> > to open an activation link in an email and then your account is
> > activated. This is such a common thing it might be a good idea if
> > BoltWire supported it with a plugin.
>
> There is the plugin below, but it needs to be completely rewritten
> using core functionality. Same idea. Create a temp page, but with a
> random key. The email message they are sent contains a link to a
> confirmation page with that key as a $_GET variable. When the page is
> called with the right key, it gets resaved as a regular login page and
> they are automatically logged in. I do it all the time on my site.
> But I keep my site up. Not the plugin... :)
>
> http://www.boltwire.com/index.php?p=solutions.email.verify
>
> > Here the list ends... Not much I can think of that BoltWire misses.
> > Unbelievable if one considers the difference in size and (confusing)
> > complexity to other CMS's.
>
> Yes, I'll be honest in that I never cease to be surprized by the power
> of actions, which allow you to move most of the engine right into the
> site itself, rather than humongous core code. The advances in
> flexibility becomes exponential with every new lego you throw in,
> giving virtually limitless permutations of possibilities. I really see
> BoltWire is almost a new generation of web engines.
>
> If the first generation was software that allowed you to create by
> hand html websites, the second generation had to be wiki's which
> allowed you to customize content from within the site. The third
> generation allows you to create the engine itself in the site. It's
> that radical a step.
>
> > The opposite list, what other CMS's should learn from BoltWire, would
> > be much easier to compile I assume.
>
> > Still, I wouldn't give grandma a BoltWire site. :)
>
> It's always a tight balance between bloat and ease of use. I'd like to
> see in the future large plugins. For example a full-blown cms system
> with advanced registration, user/group management tools, email
> verification, profile features and the like all built in to some site,
> and installed with one click. Similar major plugins for advanced
> forums and blogs. Or whatever. But that will take developers willing
> to plant a stake and invest in some corner of the BoltWire development
> universe. So far we haven't had too many takers on that. Someone to
> stick up for the grandma's.
>
> Cheers,
> Dan
Agreed. Grandma's need their lobby, too.
Regards, Markus
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