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10 Russian warships deployed in Syria
Ten Russian warships have been deployed at the Syrian port of Tartus
based on an accord reached by the two sides after the August south
Caucases conflict.
Rear Admiral Andrei Baranov, head of the Russian Black Sea Fleet s
operations directorate, said Friday the Russian engineering crew was
at Tartus to expand the capacity of the harbor
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Image of the day - NASA
Satellite:
Terra
Date Acquired:
09/12/2008
Resolutions:
1km (584 KB)
500m (1.2 MB)
250m (5.2 MB)
Bands Used:
1,4,3
Credit:
Jeff Schmaltz
MODIS Land Rapid Response Team,
NASA GSFC
A clear day over Turkey gave the MODIS on the Terra satellite this
view on September 12, 2008. There are eight countries that border
Turkey, including Iraq and Syria in the southeast, Armenia,
Azerbaijan, and Iran to the
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Police Break Up Mosque Protest in Germany
German police broke up a protest on Saturday in Cologne, Germany at
the moment it was about to start. The protest was organized by
far-right parties and individuals from across Europe.
The goal of it was to make their opposition to the approval of the
region’s municipality to Moslems to build a mosque, clear.
Thousands of left-wing
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Turkey: Big surprise hit with tourists
TO the surprise of almost everyone in the travel industry, Turkey
welcomed a near record number of 500,000 American tourists in 2006,
even more than in the heady travel days before 9/11.
That s as it should be: Turkey is a colorful and friendly destination
that is ranked among the 10 most popular nations for tourism. It
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/21/turkey-big-surprise-hit-with-tourists/
Rockefeller Reveals 9/11 FRAUD to Aaron Russo
America: Freedom to Fascism filmmaker, Aaron Russo, has exposed
first-hand knowledge of the elite global agenda during a video
interview and live on Alex Jones nationally-syndicated radio show.
Nick Rockefeller told Russo about the plan to microchip the
population, warned him about an event that would allow us to invade
Afghanistan and Iraq some eleven
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/21/rockefeller-reveals-911-fraud-to-aaron-russo/
Turkey: Syria-Israel talks to continue with Livni in charge
By Yoav Stern , Haaretz Correspondent
Sources in Turkey told Haaretz on Saturday that peace talks between
Israel and Syria will continue as planned with Tzipi Livni in charge
of the Kadima Party.
The sources said that they agree with recent assessment printed in a
Turkish paper that predicted Israel will not try to freeze the talks.
There
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Syrian Commandos Deploy in 7 North Lebanon Villages, Israeli Website
Two Syrian commando battalions have crossed into Lebanon during the
last 48 hours and taken up positions in seven Alawite-controlled
villages in north Lebanon, an Israeli website reported.
The Israeli DEBKAfile website, citing military sources, said the
battalions were accompanied by reconnaissance and engineering units.
It is the largest Syrian force to invade Lebanon since Damascus was
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“IRAN SHARES ARMENIAN STANCE OF KARABAKH AND GENOCIDE”
DERENIK MELIKYAN: IRAN SHARES ARMENIAN STANCE OF KARABAKH AND
GENOCIDE
Kaynak: armtown.com
Yer: Türkiye
Tarih: 20.9.2008
There are two Hay Dat offices in Iran. One is in Tehran and the other
is in Nor-Jugha, Derenik Melikyan, editor of Aliq Tehran-based
Armenian-language newspaper, told a PanARMENIAN.Net reporter. “We
organize April evenings, seminars on genocide studies, including the
Armenian Genocide. Books
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/20/iran-shares-armenian-stance-of-karabakh-and-genocide/
Russians moving into Syria
Strategic alliance include fleet, missiles
Editor s Note: The following report is excerpted from Joseph Farah s
G2 Bulletin, the premium online newsletter published by the founder
of WND.
Just as Russia has reasserted its power in the Black Sea, it now
plans to make waves in the Mediterranean Sea by establishing a major
base in Syria, according
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/21/russians-moving-into-syria/
Armenian FM Upbeat on Prospects for Karabakh Solution
Armenia’s foreign minister sounded optimistic about the prospects
of a solution in the long-running dispute between Armenia and
Azerbaijan, saying that such a solution would open up new
possibilities for regional cooperation.
But Edward Nalbandian denied that Turkey will gain influence over
Armenia as a result of what the two hitherto estranged nations see as
an
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Whither Turkish-Armenian relations?
By Nicholas Birch in Istanbul
As symbolic gestures go, Turkish President Abdullah Gul s attendance
at an Armenia-Turkey football match in Yerevan on September 6 could
not have been bettered.
The first visit by a senior Turkish politician since Armenia became
independent 17 years ago, it has sparked an upsurge of fraternal
feeling on both sides of a
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Turkey’s Media War
The dispute is really a political matter—yet another attempt by
Erdogan and the AKP to neuter a bastion of opposition.
By Soner Cagaptay | NEWSWEEK
Published Sep 20, 2008
>From the magazine issue dated Sep 29, 2008
For the last six years, the Turkish Industrialists and Businessmen s
Association, Tusiad, has been a crucial source of support for the
ruling Justice
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/20/turkey%E2%80%99s-media-war/
TURKEY, EUROPE, THE MILITARY, AND THE SECULARISTS
Turkey and Greece were invited at the same time to join the Common
Market, which later became the European Union (EU). Greece accepted
the invitation and is now one of the states of the EU. Bulent Ecevit,
a Social Democrat, was the Turkish Prime minister at that time. He
declined, saying that “Turkey is not
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/21/turkey-europe-the-military-and-the-secularists-2/
DEBKA:Russia lines up with Syria, Iran against America and the West
Summary of DEBKAfile Exclusives in Week Ending Sept. 18, 2008
Russia lines up with Syria, Iran against America and the West
Sept 12.: Moscow announced renovation had begun on the Syrian port of
Tartus to provide Russia with its first long-term naval base on the
Mediterranean.
As the two naval chiefs talked in Moscow, Russian foreign minister
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WORLD TRIBUNE: Turkey military reports major gains against terror
WORLD TRIBUNE: Turkey military reports major gains against terror
ANKARA — The Turkey military has determined that the Kurdish
insurgency was heading for a breakdown. Turkish Chief of Staff Gen.
Ilker Basbug said the Kurdish Workers Party, or PKK, has been
severely harmed by a Turkish military offensive over the last year.
Basbug, who assumed
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The rise of mosques creates tension across Europe
Posted: 2007/10/11
From: Source
Culture clashes over Muslim religious buildings have erupted in
Switzerland, Italy, Austria, Germany, and the Netherlands.
by Ian Traynor in Wangen, Switzerland
(The Guardian)
North of Berne in an idyllic Alpine valley cowbells tinkle, a church
steeple rises, and windowboxes tumble with geraniums. It has always
been like this.
But down by the railway station the 21st century is
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Turkey military reports major gains against terror
Thursday, September 18, 2008
ANKARA — The Turkey military has determined that the Kurdish
insurgency was heading for a breakdown.Turkish Chief of Staff Gen.
Ilker Basbug said the Kurdish Workers Party, or PKK, has been
severely harmed by a Turkish military offensive over the last year.
Basbug, who assumed his new post in August 2008,
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/21/turkey-military-reports-major-gains-against-terror/
STRATFOR: Russia, Turkey: A Reduction in Tensions
Russia, Turkey: A Reduction in Tensions
September 19, 2008 | 2150 GMT
BULENT KILIC/AFP/Getty Images
Summary
Events have indicated that Moscow has decided to take a softer
approach with Turkey. Whether this works depends on how much Russia
is willing to concede to the Turks in the Caucasus, and how much
patience Turkey has for further Russian moves against
URL:
http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/21/stratfor-russia-turkey-a-reduction-in-tensions/
No Caucasian Ceasefire until Russia Achieves its Aims
DEBKAfile Special Report and Analysis
August 11, 2008
Prime minister Vladimir Putin toys defiant Georgia
By Monday, Aug. 11, the fourth day of the Caucasian conflict, which
first erupted over the breakaway province of South Ossetia, the
pro-American Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili sounded hopeless
in the face of overwhelming Russian might.
International condemnation of Russian behavior as “unacceptable and
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/21/no-caucasian-ceasefire-until-russia-achieves-its-aims
Russia, China, Germany reject US evidence of Iran’s covert nuke
program
DEBKAfile Special Analysis
September 20, 2008, 1:30 PM (GMT+02:00)
Euphrates pipes for destroyed Syrian reactor designed to be part of
Iran s military program
Russia, China and Germany refuse to countenance tougher sanctions
against Iran notwithstanding the International Atomic Energy
Agency’s report from Vienna that its inspections of suspect
activities and covert projects were stalled by Tehran’s
non-cooperation. Diplomats
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/21/russia-china-germany-reject-us-evidence-of-irans-cove
The KHAZARS/ Scholar claims to find medieval Jewish capital
Scholar claims to find medieval Jewish capital
By MANSUR MIROVALEV, Associated Press Writer Sat Sep 20, 2:13 PM ET
MOSCOW - A Russian archaeologist says he has found the lost capital
of the Khazars, a powerful nation that adopted Judaism as its
official religion more than 1,000 years ago, only to disappear
leaving little trace of its
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/22/the-khazars-scholar-claims-to-find-medieval-jewish-ca
Five myths about travel in Turkey
Turkiye nin dis uleklerde ne derece yanlis tanindiginin resmidir..
MeltemB
http://www.travel-rants.com/2008/09/21/five-myths-about-travel-in-turkey/
Five myths about travel in Turkey
By Darren Cronian on Sunday, September 21st, 2008
I am really glad that I made the decision to ignore the negative
comments about Turkey, which ranged from the Turkish people hate
English tourists to Turkey is dangerous due to too many bombings on
tourists.
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/22/five-myths-about-travel-in-turkey-2/
Five myths about travel in Turkey
http://www.travel-rants.com/2008/09/21/five-myths-about-travel-in-turkey/
By Darren Cronian on Sunday, September 21st, 2008
I am really glad that I made the decision to ignore the negative
comments about Turkey, which ranged from the Turkish people hate
English tourists to Turkey is dangerous due to too many bombings on
tourists. Even in resort, I heard so many English people complaining
about one
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/22/five-myths-about-travel-in-turkey/
Statement by Senator Barack Obama on Armenian Independence Day
Blogian on 21 Sep 2008
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Sunday, September 21, 2008
Contact: Obama Press Office;
(312) 819-2423
On this day, September 21, Armenians and friends of Armenia
everywhere celebrate the independence of the Republic of Armenia, and
I extend my warmest and best wishes on this happy occasion. Throughout
their long history, a spirit of independence, self-reliance, and
survival
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/22/statement-by-senator-barack-obama-on-armenian-indepen
BUSH ADMINISTRATION’S AMBASSADORIAL NOMINEE FOR TURKEY TO FACE
SENATE
Deputy national security adviser James F. Jeffrey is getting his
reward for long hours of service at the White House: President Bush
nominated him last week to be U.S. ambassador to Turkey.
Jeffrey has been the deputy chief of mission in Baghdad and the
ambassador to
Albania, among a long list of assignments. No word as to when he
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/22/bush-administrations-ambassadorial-nominee-for-turkey
İstihbaratçıdan şok iddia: Apo Ergenekon üyesidir
Şubat sürecinde Emniyet Genel Müdürlüğü İstihbarat Daire
Başkanlığı yapan Bülent Orakoğlu Ergenekon terör örgütüne
yönelik çok çarpıcı iddialarda bulundu.
Orakoğlu, PKK, Dev-Sol, Hizbullah ve Hizbuttahrir örgütlerinin
Ergenekon tarafından kurulan naylon örgütler olduğunu ifade
ederek, Abdullah Öcalan da Ergenekon üyesidir. Abdullah Öcalan
devlet görevlileri ile bir araya geldiğini, görüştüğünü
söylemiştir ama Ergenekon un adamı olduğunu söylememektedir
dedi.
İpek Medya
URL:
http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/22/istihbaratcidan-sok-iddia-apo-ergenekon-uyesidir/
The Great Turkish Rip-off
By Robert Ellis, September 22 2008
Corruption in Turkey is endemic, stretching back to the Ottoman
empire in the sixteenth century, but it was not until the
liberalization of the Turkish economy in the 1980’s under Turgut
Özal it took on a new dimension. Özal’s remark, “My civil
servants know how to take care of business”,
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**** Haberler (Türkçe) ******
Karanlıktakiler
Karanlıktakiler
Siz bu yazıyı okuduğunuzda Almanya daki mahkeme Deniz Feneri yle
ilgili kararını açıklamış olacak.
Savcı, ortada 16 milyon avroluk bir yolsuzluk olduğunu iddia ediyor
ve diyor ki esas failler Türkiye de.
Türk makamlarının bu soruşturmada işbirliği yapmadığını da
ekliyor sözlerine.
Böyle bir skandal yabancı ülkelerde olsa nelere yol açabilirdi
diye konuştuk arkadaşlarla.
Biri dedi ki Japonya da bütün sorumlular harakiri yapardı!
Bir başkası Almanya da
URL: http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/21/karanliktakiler/
Vatan nasıl kurtuldu?..
Bekir COŞKUN
KAYSERİLİ vatandaşlar, Kayseri Kalesi’nde Bizans bayrağı
görünce koştular.
Toplananlar, bir dizinin çekimi için temsili asılan Bizans
bayrağının indirilmesini isteyip Vatan bölünmez dediler.
Duyan yetişti&
Dizinin yönetmeni, Arkadaşlar dizi çekiyoruz, yani sahici Bizans
değil& bu dediyse de, kalabalık bir ağızdan bağırdı:
Bizans defol&
Bu Bizans tehdidi karşısında kalabalık giderek büyüdü.
Bu tek eksik vardı:
Bizans diye bir devlet yoktu.
(&&&)
Olsun&
Ben de bu durumlara
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/20/vatan-nasil-kurtuldu/
Bunu da yaptılar…
Rauf DENKTAŞ
Avrupa İnsan Hakları Mahkemesi Başkanı Jean Costa, Rum Yüksek
Mahkemesi ile AİHM arasındaki işbirliğini güçlendirmek
maksadıyla Güney’deki Rum Cumhuriyeti’ne resmi ziyarette
bulunuyor.
Bilindiği gibi bugüne kadar Jean Costa’nın riyaset eylediği
AİHM Kıbrıs konusunda “insan” olarak sadece Rum tarafının
varlığını tescil eden ve sadece “Rum insanına” hak veren
bir kuruluş olarak çalışmıştır. Şimdi, bu tek yanlı
URL:
http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/20/bunu-da-yaptilar/
Zeyno değil Zeyna Baran
Hürriyet’in uluslararası muhabiri(!) Defne Barak’ın İsrail
Başbakanlarından Ehud Barak’ın öz be öz yeğeni olduğunu
öğrendiğimizde “hadi be!” demiştik.
Yıllarca Türkiye ekonomisini idare eden Devlet eski Bakanı
G.T’nin öz amcasının Robert T& adıyla Amerikan ordusunda subay
olduğunu öğrendiğimizde de “Hadi be” demiştik.
Geçen gün Amerika’yı yakından tanıyan bir büyüğümüzden
Zeyno’nun İsrail ordusunda 5 ay boyunca askerlik yaptığı
iddiasını
URL:
http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/20/zeyno-degil-zeyna-baran/
Dawkins Declines to Debate with Creationists
Dawkins Declines to Debate with Creationists, Because He Has No
Answer to Give!
Richard Dawkins has responded to our request for a face-to-face
debate: I HAVE VOWED NOT TO DEBATE, he says. What this actually
means is, I have been defeated on the subject of Darwinism. I have
no intention of debating with anyone and being
URL:
http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/20/dawkins-declines-to-debate-with-creationists/
Bartholomeos’un AB’den ilginç Ayasofya isteği
Ergenekon zanlısı Hikmet Çiçek in evinde ele geçen belgeler,
Fener Rum Patriği nin Ayasofya ile ilgili planlarını gün yüzüne
çıkardı. Bartholomeos, AB yetkililerinden Ayasofya da yılda bir
defa tüm Hristiyanların katılacağı bir ayin düzenlemek
istemiş.
Ergenekon davasının 227. delil klasöründe yer alan Ege Ordusu
İstihbarat Başkanlığı Günlük Raporları nın,
Azınlık-Misyonerlik Faaliyetleri Takip Çizelgesi başlığını
taşıyan bilgisayar çıktısı belgelerin 2004 Ekim
URL:
http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/20/bartholomeosun-abden-ilginc-ayasofya-istegi/
STRATFOR: Russia, Turkey: A Reduction in Tensions
Russia, Turkey: A Reduction in Tensions
September 19, 2008 | 2150 GMT
BULENT KILIC/AFP/Getty Images
Summary
Events have indicated that Moscow has decided to take a softer
approach with Turkey. Whether this works depends on how much Russia
is willing to concede to the Turks in the Caucasus, and how much
patience Turkey has for further Russian moves against
URL:
http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/21/stratfor-russia-turkey-a-reduction-in-tensions/
Sorosçular yine işbaşında ; Ermenistan diretti ve Turkiye
kapilari acmayi kabul etti.
Dünyadaki renkli başkaldırıların finansörü Yahudi spekülatür
George Soros tarafından fonlanan Türkiye Ekonomik ve Sosyal Etüdler
Vakfı nın (TESEV) Başkanı Can Paker, Ermenistan daki sivil toplum
kuruluşlarıyla ortak projeleri üreteceklerini açıkladı. Zaman
gazetesine açıklamalarda bulunan Paker, Cumhurbaşkanı Gül ün
Ermenistan ziyaretine övgüler yağdırdı. Türkiye
cumhurbaşkanına yakışan bir davranıştır. Türkiye nin
çözülmesi istenmeyen sorunları var. Biri Kıbrıs. Dünyanın
hiçbir yerinde bu
URL:
http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/22/soroscular-yine-isbasinda-ermenistan-diretti-ve-turki
ABD’deki ekonomik krizin basda Türkiye olmak üzere tüm dünyaya
etkileri.
ABD ekonomisi çöktümü?
Usta gazeteci Hulki Cevizoğlu nun Avrasya Televizyonu nda (ART)
hazırlayıp sunduğu Ceviz Kabuğu nda, ABD deki ekonomik kriz ve
başta Türkiye olmak üzere tüm dünyaya etkileri ele alındı.
Programın konuklarından eski Bakan Ufuk Söylemez, ABD, finansal
piyasaları canavara çevirdi. Sürekli spekülasyonla bu noktaya
gelindi. Bu kriz, dünyaya pahalıya patlayacak tespiti yaptı.
KAPİTALİZMİN MABEDİNDEKİ YÜZYILIN EKONOMİK KRİZİ NİN ABD
DERİN DEVLETİNİN İŞİ
URL:
http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/22/abddeki-ekonomik-krizin-basda-turkiye-olmak-uzere-tum
İstihbaratçıdan şok iddia: Apo Ergenekon üyesidir
Şubat sürecinde Emniyet Genel Müdürlüğü İstihbarat Daire
Başkanlığı yapan Bülent Orakoğlu Ergenekon terör örgütüne
yönelik çok çarpıcı iddialarda bulundu.
Orakoğlu, PKK, Dev-Sol, Hizbullah ve Hizbuttahrir örgütlerinin
Ergenekon tarafından kurulan naylon örgütler olduğunu ifade
ederek, Abdullah Öcalan da Ergenekon üyesidir. Abdullah Öcalan
devlet görevlileri ile bir araya geldiğini, görüştüğünü
söylemiştir ama Ergenekon un adamı olduğunu söylememektedir
dedi.
İpek Medya
URL:
http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/22/istihbaratcidan-sok-iddia-apo-ergenekon-uyesidir/
YURTDISINDA RAMAZAN
Ayhan KILIC / Kanada /[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Azinlik psikolojisimidir nedir? eskiden oruc tutmayanlar gizlerdi
kendini, utanirdi belki, belkide toplum dislardi. Ayipti oyle ulu
orta yemek yiyip sigara icmek. Bazilari daha ileri gidip doverlerdi
oruc tutmayanlari gordukleri zaman. Her ne kadar kendilerini
gizleselerde ozellikle kucuk toplumlarda , kucuk yerlesim yerlerinde
aslinda herkes bilirdi kim oruc tutar, kim oruc tutmazdi.
Ramazan
URL:
http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/22/yurtdisinda-ramazan/
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-13. Kabile’nin kayıp başkenti İtil bulundu
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AP SIRASI BELİRLENECEK
STUTTGART | 20.09.08
Almanya nın Baden Württemberg Eyaleti nde bugün Alman Sosyal
Demokrat Parti (SPD), 6
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http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/22/turk-topluluklarindan-haberler-14/
RUMLARIN GÜVEN YARATICI TALEPLERİ
Kıbrıs konusunda güven yaratıcı önlemler hep Türklerden
beklenir nedense.
Kıbrıs sorunun tek sorumlusu Türklerdir ve mutlaka da güven
yaratıcı ortamın sağlanabilmesi için Kıbrıslı Türkler bir
şeyler vermek zorundadır sanki. Rumlar kendilerini sütten
çıkmış ak kaşık olarak görürler ve hep böyle düşünürler.
Dışarıya da hep böyle pazarlarlar.
Ünlü EOKA’cı ve Kıbrıs Rum Cumhuriyetinin Makarios’tan
sonraki Başkanı seçilen Spiros
URL:
http://www.turkishforum.com/content/2008/09/22/rumlarin-guven-yaratici-talepleri/
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