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Hi,

Just got back from Layer One conference in Pasadina.  Got a lot of 
interest in
Shadowserver group.  I found some very interested programmers interested in
working on our SpamCrunchers project.  Back in 2004, I did a "proof of 
performance"
of the system, and in these tests we shut down approx 750,000 infected hosts
with a very aggressive spam reporting system,  not only reporting spam, 
but also
reporting bogus whois info on both domains and IP blocks.  We also wrote 
some
very interesting Spam traffic analysis displays...  we learned that any 
given
IP address would send us approx 5 - 8 spams.  The average lifetime of the
infected machine was approx 3 weeks,  but we were able to cut that way
down during our tests. 

We also want to write code to help sniff out botnets, or gather data on them
for Law Enforcement officials in helping their investigations.  We are 
going to
need to know their standards and requirements.  I'm going to try to bring in
more LE types.

Most of our work is in Python, because of it's security and robust array 
bounds
checking and other nice things it does.

Our Analysis engine will be HTML based, so any machine with a browser can
interface to it.  Most of our client-server work would be in Twisted Python.
System will be designed to run as normal user.

It will be using the PostGreSQL and Python plugin for the database.
We already have a HUGE database of just about every IP block on the
internet, linking to an "abuse" email for reporting purposes.  It's pretty
old and has to be updated.  I also have some experimental code that goes
to the Looking Glass servers and gets the upstream providers.  Comes
in handy if I have to "Go over the head" of an errant ISP or uncooperative
one.  I thought about setting up a special Whois server for extracting
abuse Emails from IP's.  I'm sure there are some out there now,  but
running one is going to take resources I don't have...  A PHAT PIPE
and a PHAT PHAST BOX.

If any Botnet hunters out there need any specific tools or nice web based
interfaces to their tools,  let us know.  Our goals are to put together a
"Spam and Bot eradication kit" - I suppose that would be a good name for
it.   An SBEK....   :-)

John
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