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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Gadi Evron wrote:
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> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:40:56 -0300
> From: Craig Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: RE: detecting network crowd surges
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> I've seen use of HTTP by bots on the rise a bit and have seen two
> implementations in some detail. Much of it is fairly trivial to detect,
> like IRC protocol running on port 80. I've seen a couple examples I've
> seen were harder to spot.
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> One was a request for a page that looked like most any normal auth form
> for webmail services. It was hosted on a compromised box belonging to a
> major website so it the traffic we had looked mostly harmless. I showed
> it to some engineers at an IDS vendor and the consensus was that it was
> pretty tough to write a signature against; the traffic it produced was
> pretty small and what we had looked pretty normal. We ended up detecting
> it by the user agent which was a bit different owing to the use of some
> HTTP library for Delphi used by the bot developer. We used a simple
> snort rule (only useful in this specific case, but the approach was
> somewhat interesting):
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> alert tcp $HOME_NET any -> $EXTERNAL_NET 80 (msg:"Trojan control get???
> command"; content:"User-Agent: UtilMind HTTPGet|0D 0A|"; )
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> Another clever example was a bot which issued a GET for a normal looking
> page and parsed for base64 encoded commands contained in HTML comments.
> There were three commands: sleep, download & execute file, and reverse
> shell. This isn't hard to spot once you know the pattern but there's
> bound to be better stuff out there.
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> Looking for misshapen traffic symmetry, like HTTP sessions with large
> outbound data streams, is one technique I've heard people have some
> success with. Regular expressions can spot data outbound if you're
> looking for structured data like account numbers. Some products also
> look for high outbound HTTP connection rates that are too fast to be
> human or HTTP sessions that cross a time threshold. Simple data volume
> thresholds are too easily triggered by streaming apps, in my experience,
> unless you consider the direction and traffic shape as in the misshapen
> symmetry example above.
Not to steal your thunder, as you speak words of wisdom, I will mention
only one thing:
Bots are very noisy and non-friendly entities online. Easy to detect. The
same goes for C&C's.
The difference you notice is the mass "popular" attacks becoming less
distinguishable as attacks and more hidden, transmuted to appear like
ordinary users, which is what every attacker's goal is once he is past his
kiddie days.
Gadi.
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> Craig Chamberlain
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> > From: Jose Nazario [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 1:11 PM
> > To: mikeiscool
> > Cc: Ron Gula; [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: detecting network crowd surges
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> > On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, mikeiscool wrote:
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> > > I wonder, though, is this how real botnets are controlled?
> >
> > based on our measurements and observations, IRC is the
> > dominant method for botnet control at this time. but HTTP
> > methods, similar to the ones you described, are coming on in
> > popularity. poll frequencies range from 5 seconds to 1 hour or more.
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