Terry

Glad it now works for you. I just experimented a bit when you said again that the go-to command wasn't working for you. In generating a lot of error beeps of my own, that's just what I figured out. Actually, I haven't read that part of the manual yet, so I don't know how extensive the directions are.

But glad it helped and hopefully you can navigate that book better now.

Jean

Jean

----- Original Message ----- From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi Jean;

You just did wonders. I read chapter 4 on book reader and it sent me to chapter 3 about page, line, column command. It does not say you have to put
page and line together.
They gave letter sign dot 6 p space number sign number
they did the same with l and c for line and column.
How would anyone know you needed page and line together.  This is not
graphics!
show me the write way to key it in, on a BT.
Terry


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Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 2:38 PM
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Hi Terry

You have to understand the layout of the book you have.  You can't
search for what isn't there. If the book didn't have the word chapter, then of course it won't find chapter. It's not like a go-to command as
in go to where chapter one starts.  Your search on the number 1 would
take you to the first occurrence of that character.  If the book first
started with a table of contents, you would of course land on any page
number reference with a number one in it.  To go to the next find
result, in other words the next location of the digit one, press space
with n on the BT keyboard for next occurrence.  Sorry, I have no idea
what the qwerty keyboard equivalent is for that.

To use the go to page, line or column command, use space with dots
1-2-6. From here you can press space with h for help, or type in the
location you want.  For example, p3, l1. That would go to page 3, line
1. You must enter a line number as well as a page number. Just entering a page number is invalid. Remember to separate the fields with a comma
and a space.

So, if you have read a bit at the top and learn that chapter 1 starts on
page 7 for example, you could use the go-to command of space with dots
1-2-6, then type p7, l1 and press enter.  You'll be at the top of page
7.

Hope that helps a bit. If you're not using a BT keyboard, then someone
else will have to give you the specific commands as I don't know them.

Jean


Jean



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The book said paragraph mode at the beginning.
Any ideas.  I have not tried it on the actual story.  I was trying to
advance by a large amount of space to find the beginning of the book.
Find
chapter 1 did not work.  When I finally got there, the word chapter
was not
there, just the number.
I tried page numbers and ended up in the contence.
Help.  This is crazy.
Terry Powers


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Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:43 AM
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Your paragraph commands will only work if the reading mode is set to
paragraph. The reading commands change function when the mode is set
to
lines or columns.

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Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS)
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Teri;
Did you see my problem with reading a book in paragraph format? If it
is a listing, will that prevent the paragraph command not to work.  I
can not even get the find or surch for page, line or column to work.
I
had a terible time making it to the first chapter in chicken Soup for
the soul book 2.  They did not use the word chapter.  I tried strait
numbers and ended up in the contence. I have written about this before
and got no responce.  Please help me out. space with f is find space
with 1,2,6 is for page, line, column

Terry Powers


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Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:16 PM
To: Steve Speicher
Cc: Braillenote List
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] reading modes with mPower


Dear Steve and List,

I will try again to explain how to get paragraphs to work right.

Suppose you have a braille document opened.  Each paragraph should
begin
with a hard return followed by two spaces.  You want to translate the
document into text and you want the paragraphs in the print document
to
begin with two hard returns.

Go to the back translation options menu.  You will be asked,
"paragraphs
in source document."  You would press control enter to indicate the
hard
return and press the space bar twice to indicate the two spaces.  I
don't know what the commands are for a BT keyboard.  Now, cycle
through
the back translations list until you come to "paragraph."  Press
control enter twice to indicate you want two hard returns in your
print
paragraphs.  I don't know the BT commands.  Exit and press y to save
the
changes.

Suppose you have a text document you plan to translate into braille.

Go to the forward translation options list.  You will be asked
"paragraph in source file"  If your text document paragraphs begin
with
two hard returns, then press control space bar or the equivalent BT
command until you get to "blank line." Now, cycle through the forward
translations list until you get to "Paragraph."  Press control enter
spacebar spacebar or the BT equivalent command to indicate you want
the
paragraphs in the braille document to be a hard return followed by two
spaces.  Exit and save the changes.

If you want these settings to be the defaults for all your documents,
be
sure to use the forward translation options and back translation
options
in the file manager menu.

Once you have set up these options, you will be able to open and read
a
braille or text document using the paragraph commands.

Now, if you want the thumb keys to jump from one paragraph to another,
you would go to the braille display options and look for thumb keys.
There are three choices: up and down, sentence or line and paragraph
or
section. Choose paragraph or section. Now your thumb keys will scroll
from paragraph to paragraph.

I hope this helps.

Terri, Amateur Radio call sign, KF6CA.  Army MARS call sign, AAT9PX
California

On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Steve Speicher wrote:

Good morning, Jean:

Here are two approaches to the movement-by-paragraph issue.

1. As Dean mentioned, a blank line will cause the space-with-2,3 and
space-with-5,6 commands to work as you expect them two. But to get a
blank line, you have to hit the enter key twice. One difficulty with
this approach is that the blank line created in this way is honored
when
embossing and so wastes precious space on the embossed page. To avoid
that problem, when you have finished editing the document and are
ready
to emboss, you could use the global find and replace to, so to speak,
prepare the document for embossing by converting all occurrences of
the
double return to one return followed by two blank spaces. In the
embossed document, the single return followed by the two blank spaces
will give you two-space indents at the beginning of each paragraph but
will not skip a line between paragraphs. If you want to do some more
editing, simply reverse the global find and replace to convert each
occurrence of a return followed by two spaces to two returns. In the
find and replace operation, to produce the return character, press
space
with dots 2 and 6.  You wouldn't need to convert back, since the
two-space indents created with the first global replace will now make
the move-by-paragraph commands work as you expect. But you might want to convert back if you want that blank line between paragraphs for the
printing (instead of embossing) of the document, or if you need to do
more editing and just want to save a keystroke at each paragraph
break.

2. If you don't mind an extra keystroke at each paragraph break, you
can
press enter then add two spaces at the beginning of the new line. This
requires three keystrokes (return and two spaces) instead of two (two
returns); but it makes the move-by-paragraph commands work as you
expect; and it avoids the need for switching back and forth between
two
versions of the document, one formatted for reading and one for
embossing.  Of course, if you want to print the document rather than
emboss it, you might want the blank line between paragraphs.

There's probably a third, better way to address the question. I hope
one
of our fine listers will post it, as I, too, would like to know what
it
is and how to format a document in such a way that it works equally
well
for printing or embossing..



At 07:24 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote:
Okay.  As far as I can figure this out so far, here's what I think is
happening with moving by paragraph with space dots 2-3 or 5-6. .  It
works fine in any text file. It works fine in any text file converted
to braille.  It works fine in the Demonstration file included in the
General folder by Humanware.  I gather this is a braille document
created just to play with.  Notably, it has one carriage return to
separate paragraphs.

But I can't move by paragraph in any braille file I create.  I've
experimented with as many combinations of reading mode and thumb key
combos, but no go. It wants two carriage returns in a braille file in
order to recognize it as a paragraph.  All of the layout options are
unchanged.

Anyone have any ideas?  Could this be a bug or something in 6.2?  I
would assume one shold be able to move by paragraph in a braille doc
you create.

Jean


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