Pocket Excel is not as robust and full featured as the PC version. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry Gomes Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:12 PM To: 'Braillenote List' Subject: RE: [Braillenote] braille note and excel?
Yes, I understand that. I use Microsoft access regularly for personal and professional use. But I was thinking that key base is probably not as complex as access, as a key soft version of a spread sheet program may not be as complex as excel. If there is a pocket version of excel, is it as elaborate as regular Excel? I guess since I use a PC primarily, it's hard still for me to imagine programs like Excel on a BN, and i was trying to picture how it could be done. Access is my all time favorite program, and i love creating data bases and all that. so, I'm looking forward to playing with key base. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:30 AM To: Braillenote List Subject: re: [Braillenote] braille note and excel? Hello Sherry, Yes, there are devices out there that use a version of excel, and it would be nice if the braillenote could do the same for those of us who want it, and for those who do not, well they wouldn't have to use it. As far as the keybase programs go that are on the new keysoft 7, they are not a spreadsheet program, they are merely a program to insert information and do not allow one to crunch numbers. I hope this helps. Robert > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sherry Gomes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected] >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:04:07 -0800 >Subject: [Braillenote] braille note and excel? >I'm truly curious to know if the BN products could even support Excel. it is >such an incredibly complex program, do regular PDA's support a full version >of excel? it's a power hungry program with many complex bells and >whistles--shouldn't say bells and whistles--but people who are far more >experienced in the program than i, say they could study it for a lifetime >and never really know all that it does. how about a different kind of >spread sheet program for the BN like the new keybase program? i haven't >used that yet, since i don't have my BN at this time, but i would guess that >it is probably much less complicated than MS Access. >Anyway, just curious. not saying yea or nay for excel support, because the >program turns my brain inside out, even though I've actually had to teach it >before. >Sherry >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah Cranston >Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:13 AM >To: Braillenote List >Subject: RE: [Braillenote] A Call for Better Keyword Support and other >things >Hi Virgie, >I don't have a view. <Smile> At this point in my working life I have no >need for Excel, hence my questions. BTW, I'm still curious if anyone has >tried the CSV option and if so, what were the results. I see nothing wrong >with suggesting features, my only thought on the subject was, why not use a >method that is already available on the BN, instead of waiting for an >upgrade? I apologize if I offended with my previous post. >Sarah >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of VIRGIE >UNDERWOOD >Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 6:12 PM >To: Braillenote List >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] A Call for Better Keyword Support and other >things >Hello Sarah, >I respect your views but I really do not see anything wrong with asking for >important features that will help us on the job. Smile! >Virgie and Hoshi >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sarah Cranston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 3:24 PM >Subject: RE: [Braillenote] A Call for Better Keyword Support and other >things >What ever happened to importing CSV files into KeyBase? Has anyone tried >it, especially someone with a need for spreadsheets? If I were more >familiar with Excel, I'd try it myself, but I'll leave that to the experts. ><Smile> Still, I wonder if this should be at least attempted before asking >for a very major addition to KeySoft, such as Excel. Just a few thoughts. >Sarah >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bray, Terry >Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:08 PM >To: Braillenote List >Subject: RE: [Braillenote] A Call for Better Keyword Support and other >things >Hi: >I have to second this Databases are databases and spreadsheets are >spreadsheets. Even a stripped down version of excel like the one for >PDA's is better than none. When I am in a meeting I need access to the >same information as my sighted co-workers and can't use my BrailleNote >so I need to carry my laptop not always so convenient. >Terry Bray >System Support Analyst >Adaptive Technology Services - Strategy and Planning Desktop Planning & >Design > ENTERPRISE INFRASTRUCTURE OPERATIONS, Technology & Solutions >Phone 416-549-6190 >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of VIRGIE >UNDERWOOD >Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:46 PM >To: Braillenote List >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] A Call for Better Keyword Support and other >things >Hi Jonathan, >The one thing that Braillenote lacks is the ability to use Excel. I >would like to see this feature added in the next upgrade. There are >many vendors on this list and many more who are not part of the list >that could benefit greatly from having good support and functionality >forExcel. I appreciate the great job Humanware has done but we still >have the need for the ability to really be able to use Excel. Thanks >very much for listening to your customers. >Virgie Underwood >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] >Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:32 PM >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] A Call for Better Keyword Support and other >things >> Hi Tom, and thanks for your great feedback. In this message, I'm going >> to attempt to reply to your points as well as the points made by >> others in reply to your original message. >> The issues you raise regarding Word support are issues which concern >> us greatly as well. KeySoft 6.11 made some strides to improving the >> situation. Prior to KeySoft 6.11, we did not support files created in >> Word beyond 2000. Now, we support all versions of Word. that said, >> there are characteristics that cause the Word converter to fall over >> and crash not very gracefully, irrespective of Word version. These >> include the use of formatting such as tables and bullet points. This >> isn't a satisfactory situation to us either, and I have in fact >> authorised funding for a project to research fixes to this issue. >> One of the issues we face is that we as blind people use our >> BrailleNotes quite differently from how many sighted people use their >> PDAs. A PDA for the sighted has a small screen, and it's not common >> for people to do very complex editing in that environment. For this >> reason, it may be that the conversion utilities available to us as >> part of what comes with Windows CE need to be replaced with a third >> party product that will offer much more advanced Word support. We're >> actively investigating this now, but at this stage it's too early to >> give any kind of indication as to when you might see the results of >> this. However, this is one of the nice things about KeySoft. We can >> take the bits of Microsoft code that work for us, and replace others >> that offer more functionality. We've done this for example in the case >> of our Media player which streams more formats than Pocket >WindowsMedia Player, and with our Download Manager. >> I would have to take issue with those who have described the feature >> set of KeySoft 7 as fluff. BrailleNote and VoiceNote mPower is now the >> only portable product in the market offering you a choice of speech >> engine. We have a powerful database manager already being used to >> assist people with everything from running their businesses to >cataloguing home inventory. >> The fraction functions in the calculator are a big feature for >students. >> While much as been made of the games, keep in mind that a huge number >> of BrailleNotes find their way to the education sector. The text >> adventures assist with literacy because they encourage kids to use the >machine more. >> They also assist with orientation, because most of these games use >> compass directions, teaching blind children to retrace their steps and >> assisting them to develop a sense of spatial awareness. And yes, >> they're also good fun. The changes to Bluetooth are particularly huge >> in the education market because of the visual display functionality. >> The FM radio is consistent with our intent, over time, to have the >> BrailleNote replace as many of those other devices you have to carry >> around with you as a blind person who travels. >> All that being said, you'll get no argument from me about the >> substantive issue you raise, and we are certainly actively working on >the issue. >> Jonathan Mosen >> BrailleNote Product Marketing Manager >> HumanWare >> DDI: +1-925-566-9265 >> http://www.humanware.com >> "Tom Lange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> 03/02/2006 02:57 p.m. >> Please respond to >> Braillenote List <[email protected] >> To >> "Braillenote List" <[email protected]> cc >> Subject >> [Braillenote] A Call for Better Keyword Support and other things >> Hi list and Humanware support staff, >> There are times when I have to vent and get something off my chest, >> and this is one of them. >> Today I encountered two problems with a Word document that I >> downloaded from the Project Assist web site in connection with a >> course that I'm taking. >> First, after downloading the document to my PC and transferring it to >> a BN Classic running Keysoft 6.11 build 26, I attempted to open the >> file in Keyword, at which time I got the "review options?" prompt. So >> far, so good, but when I pressed Enter on that prompt I was told that >> the file was not a recognized Word document. I re-saved the file on >> the PC as a Word 97 file, transferred that one, opened it and it >> worked fine. As it turns out, I couldn't open the original file until >> I did a 1-2-3 reset, then all was well. However, that led to a second >> problem. >> The Word file in question contained a number of web addresses which I >> needed to visit in order to complete a class assignment. Though I >> could see them quite clearly when viewing the Word file on the PC, >> they were omitted entirely from the document when viewing it in >> Keyweb. I was unaware that Keyweb wouldn't display embedded hyperlink >> fields in a Word document, so, frankly, I was a little surprised, and, >> a tad bit annoyed. >> My Braille Note is on its way back to me, having been upgraded to an >> MPower which should be running Keysoft 7, and I'm really excited about >> that. >> Having >> heard about all the neat functionality built into Keysoft 7 and the >> MPower platform, I can't wait to take the unit for a spin. >> However, I need to reiterate and expound on something that I've been >> saying for a long, long time. Humanware development managers have been >> very responsive to the needs and wants of the customers, and I extend >> a hearty thumbs-up for their efforts thus far to enhance the >> functionality of the product offering. Many folks, myself included, >> asked for a faster hardware platform and got it, a newer version of >> Windows CE and got it. Folks asked for enhanced media player support, >> streaming audio, database functionality, and the list goes on, and all >> of that is here now, and that's great! >> But what about the long-standing issues that still need to be >addressed? >> Humanware needs to recognize and remember that there's a significant >> percentage of folks within the user population who, like myself, use >> the Braille Note for education and business as well as pleasure on a >> day-to-day basis, so special consideration must be given to ensuring >> that those applications that can be used for education and business >> have the best possible support that the platform will offer. This >> means that Keyword, for example, needs to be able to handle any Word >> document version that's thrown at it, and that in the interest of >> being fully and seamlessly integrated into education and >> business-related activity, it needs to, among other things, be able >> to handle fancier formatting such as tables without crashing and >> handle markup such as embedded hyperlinks without omitting the >> associated information. It also means that those memory glitches >> which cause critical documents to mysteriously disappear into the bit >> bucket need to be isolated and dealt with in no uncertain terms. >> Yeah, I ran across that one a couple of weeks ago and let me tell ya, >> folks, re-creating my data wasn't much fun. >> These issues still haven't been fully addressed in years, and it's >> become apparent that those of us who are concerned about them just >> haven't "made enough noise" by submitting formal requests to Humanware >> development or the support team. So I urge those who feel as I do, >> stand up and be counted. >> Voice your concerns on the list yet again, and write to Humanware >> support directly as I'm doing at this very moment, so that Humanware >> development managers can see the numbers and know that we're out here >> clamoring for resolution of these issues. >> Okay, time to get off my soapbox. No flames, please. See y'all later. >> Tom >> ___ >> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> ___ >> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote
