Dear Joseph, I understand your message, but I'm using a QT model and WindowEyes.
Terri, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Keyweb and Internet Explorer : Terry, Sarah, Cindy and others, : This is Joseph. Before I will jump onto the boat, I'll give you some : background informaition. : Windows CE uses what is called Pocket Internet Explorer. While it may sound : the same, it is completely different platform than IE on the PC. : : Now, onto the subject: : 1. The symbols can be found on chapter 12 of the User Guide (I'm sure that : HW has changed the symbols a little bit). : 2. The details on the BN might seem smaller than PC's. This is a technical : issue (simply because Pocket Internet Explorer. Remember, that Pocket IE is : not a full version of IE.). : 3. There is a setting in JAWS 7.0 and onward that allows you to have the : screen reader treat the web content as it appears on the screen (Freedom : Scientific calls it Document Presentation Mode). When activated, the links : or tables will be displayed and spoken, just like when the sighted users : views the content (KeyWedb uses the same approach). : 4. In roder to move between form fields (combo boxes, list boxes, check : boxes, radio buttons, buttons, edit files, edit combo boxes, etc.), you can : use space with dots 4-6 and 1-3. : 5. There is no "auto-complete" feature in Pocket IE. Some cookies stores the : user and password information for a particular site. When these kinds of : cookies are dedleted, the information will be gone. : 6. This is because the BN uses computer braille a lot often. : : I hope this information may help you. : : -----Original Message----- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of slerythema : Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:38 AM : To: 'Braillenote List' : Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Keyweb and Internet Explorer : : Just an FYI as a continuation of this thread. One thing I have been seeing : more and more is that websites will have a link for a mobile version of the : page. They have created these for people that use their cell phones to : access websites. In some cases, this has helped with how you are able to : navigate a page when using the BN. : : However, I too have had problems entering my user name and password when : using the BN. I don't surf often with the BN but hope when I have a chance : that becoming more proficient will make this easier. : : Cindy : : > -----Original Message----- : > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah : > Cranston : > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:42 AM : > To: Braillenote List : > Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Keyweb and Internet Explorer : > : > : > When I first started playing around with KeyWeb, I figured it would be : > a snap, after all, I'd been surfing the web for years with a PC. How : > hard could it be? I struggled for a few days before realizing that : > what I needed were several reads through the chapter on Keyweb in the : > manual. This helped a great deal, there is a very comprehensive list : > of commands, plus a good description of the symbols used to denote : > links, edit boxes, check boxes, radio buttons, and the like. I had to : > read through that chapter three or four times before it all stuck, but : > I eventually got very comfortable using KeyWeb. I don't automatically : > tell people to run to the manual, I do realize that doesn't work for : > some people, but that might be what you need in this case. : > : > : > -----Original Message----- : > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Terri : > Pannett : > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:58 PM : > To: BrailleNote List : > Subject: [Braillenote] Keyweb and Internet Explorer : > : > : > Dear List, : > : > I have been using Keyweb for the past several days because I was not : > home and I didn't have access to my PC. Most of the time, I surf the : > web using my PC with Internet Explorer and WindowEyes for my screen : > reader. I'm not the best web-surfer and I haven't had as much : > experience with Keyweb as some of you but I have noticed some : > differences. : > : > 1. The web pages load faster using Keyweb, but they look totally : > alien to me. For one thing, the braille displays links, edit boxes, : > frames and tables buttons and dialog boxes appear differently. I : > suppose this must be because HumanWare decided to use different : > symbols and abbreviations than GW Micro does. I suppose people who : > use the shark have learned yet another set of braille symbols and : > abbreviations. Although I think Keysoft is usually intuitive, I find : > Keyweb not to be so intuitive with its symbols and abbreviations. : > It's too bad there aren't a standard set of symbols and abbreviations : > for all braille displays. : > : > 2. I don't know if it's just me, but I have noticed web pages on the : > PC have more details than web pages on the BN. For example, let's : > take the www.amazon site. I don't remember seeing a special link for : > screen readers when I looked at it using the BN, but the link jumped : > out at me when I used the PC. I also found it harder to search for an : > item using the BN than using the PC. : > : > 3. The layout of the web pages seems different. On the BN, the text : > goes across the line with lots of space between columns. I find this : > extra space to be annoying. But on the PC, the columns are laid out : > vertically and the lines are shorter. The BN occasionally gives : > details about the web page, but WindowEyes always gives details like: : > "11 tables, x amout of rows, x columns x frames and x headings and x : > subheadings." It also tells me when I'm starting to look at a new : > table, but the BN doesn't. : > Since I can't tell : > where one table ends and the next begins, I can't jump from one table : > to the next. : > : > 4. If a site, like Google, has an edit box, WindowEyes will : > automatically jump to the edit box but the BN always places me at the : > top of the page and I have to wade through the links to find the edit : > box. Also, when I go back and forth between web pages, WindowEyes : > remembers where I left off but the BN doesn't. : > : > 5. This difference has been mentioned before, but I can't understand : > why it exists. I'm referring to the fact that Windows on my PC will : > remember my username and password when I go to certain web sites but : > the BN won't. : > Also, I'm more certain to have trouble typing in my username and : > password and having the site recognize it when I use the BN. This is : > annoying, especially when I want to use a "quickcheckout" or "1-click : > purchase" at an online store. In fact, I couldn't even checkout with : > one store--I had to phone in my order. But previously, I had been : > able to set up an account and checkout using my PC. If I had had a PC : > at my location, I could have placed the order online. : > : > 6. The BN shows everything in one grade of braille. This is fine : > except : > (1) when I'm looking at a URL or email address and (2) when I write in : > an edit box. I can't even route the cursor to the computereze and see : > the URL or email address in computer braille like I can when I'm using : > Keymail. : > WindowEyes, on the other hand, will always show anything under the : > cursor to be in computer braille. Is there a way to route the BN's : > cursor to an item without accessing a link? : > : > Can someone explain why Keyweb and the BN behaves differently from the : > PC and WindowEyes? Does it have to do with the platform, (Windows CE : > versus Windows XP) and the methods of interpreting the web sites? : > : > Thanks for any insight. : > : > Terri, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. 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