The shark is the nickname of JAWS. It derives from the icon that represents JAWS. Hope that helps. On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:01:13 -0500, "Eugene Manfrini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hi Terri, > Thank you for all your comments which I'm trying to digest but I'm > still having trouble with anachronisms. You wrote: You can use you BN > as a braille > display with WE or JFW, but DD favors the Shark, although it's supposed > to > work with WE, too. One word that wasn't a an abbreviation was "Shark". > What does that mean. While you're at it what do the following mean also: > ''st, hth (at the bottom of emails), MSN, (and while you're at it): (by > Cathy Shelton), name SSN, DOB address and finally for this time, DBT. > Eugenio > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > >Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:19:10 -0800 > >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files > > >You can't use Dancing Dots with the BN because it's a Windows program and > >you can't put the software into the BN. You can use you BN as a braille > >display with WE or JFW, but DD favors the Shark, although it's supposed to > >work with WE, too. > > >Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "FunGuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > >Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:01 AM > >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files > > > >> Hi Eugenio: > > >> Take a look at > >> www.dancingdots.com > > >> I can't speak to using a Braille PDA with there product because I don't > >> have first hand experience with that. I did read and use Braille music in > >> earlier years and I do know a good deal about Braille technology so if you > >> look at the dancing dots page and find that you have very specific > >> questions about using a Braille Note with the dancing dots program I'd be > >> willing to discuss it. Remember though that this discussion will become > >> extremely geaky and will require very specific questions. For example, > >> are you trying to write in Braille and then produce print music or are you > >> trying to just create Braille music for an embosser? > > >> I took a very quick look at the dancing dots page and it looks like they > >> have a program to turn Braille music in to print notation; or at least a > >> way for blind musicians to create print music. > > >> A good first start though will be to take a hard look at that dancing dots > >> page and then define a very specific task that you want to achieve. I > >> don't think reading Braille music notation on a bn is going to be a good > >> idea, but writing Braille music on a bn to be embossed on paper might be a > >> very good idea. > > >> Hope something here helps. > >> alan > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Eugene Manfrini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:47 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files > > > >>> Hi Alan, > >>> You have really gotten me very excited and interested when you discussed > >>> writing Braille Music on the BrailleNote. In the past when I was > >>> using an MSDOS computer I tried severl Music writing programs and they > >>> were so complicated that I finally gave them up. Where would I go to > >>> find out more about this subject. I would be indebted to you for any > >>> information of this type. > >>> Eugenio > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "FunGuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > >>>>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:48:54 -0800 > >>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files > > >>>>Eugene: > > > > >>>>If you want to create Braille Music for embossing on a Braille printer, > >>>>it's > >>>>a simple matter of writing in grade 0 or ASCII Braille. If you want to > >>>>convert Braille music to print you can still create it on the Braille > >>>>Note > >>>>but then send it to a program like Dancing Dots on a PC. I don't know if > >>>>Dancing Dots has Braille music to print music translator, but that's > >>>>beyond > >>>>the point of this message. > > > > >>>>When Richard mentioned using a Braille Note and formatting and Duxbury I > >>>>think the issue was that there were to many elements in the equation so > >>>>to > >>>>speak. > > >>>>I don't mean to split hairs or start an argument here, but Duxbury was > >>>>not > >>>>designed for music at all and shouldn't even be raised in a discussion of > >>>>Braille music notation. > > >>>>If you want to write song lyrics in grade 2, back translate them and use > >>>>the > >>>>block command to paste them in to the ASCII Braille file. > > >>>>The formatter in the Braille Note may seem unpredictable, but you can > >>>>easily > >>>>tame it if you will take the time and energy to master it; if you are > >>>>sending Braille music notation to a Braille embosser it's really just a > >>>>matter of trial and error. If you want to convert Braille music to print > >>>>notation I'd suggest that the PC is the only platform that should even be > >>>>considered for that task. > > > > >>>>The Braille Note software is an excellent tool, but you cant screw a > >>>>screw > >>>>in with a hammer. I think this is a case of needing to think clearly > >>>>about > >>>>the task and the tools available. This is a case of mastering the little > >>>>bitty details; if you don't want to go to all that effort I don't blame > >>>>you-but perhaps this post will help you break the task in to achievable > >>>>baby > >>>>steppes. > > > > >>>>Alan Holst > > > > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "Eugene Manfrini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > >>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:52 PM > >>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files > > > >>>>> Hi Terri, > >>>>> I'm very curious to know since I am a musician and composer; you or > >>>>> someone couldn't have created the music you mentioned from the > >>>>> BrailleNote, am I right? If you did that would be fantastic. > >>>>> Eugenio > > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > >>>>>>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:21:20 -0800 > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files > > >>>>>>I have heard that this problem occurs with all notetakers, not just the > >>>>>>BN. > >>>>>>The reason is the work processors in the notetakers don't generate hard > >>>>>>line > >>>>>>returns which can be read by other programs. To get around this, a > >>>>>>person > >>>>>>must put the hard returns in manually. > > >>>>>>If your file has both music and words in it with a line of words > >>>>>>followed > >>>>>>by > >>>>>>a line of music, then the file should import into DBT correctly, > >>>>>>because > >>>>>>there are manual hard returns in the file. > > >>>>>>Also, when you open a file which has both music and words in it like I > >>>>>>described above, be sure to open the file in line format and save it in > >>>>>>line > >>>>>>format when you close the file. > > >>>>>>Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>From: "Richard Ring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected] > >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:26 PM > >>>>>>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files > > > >>>>>>> The question you should be asking is this: > >>>>>>> How do files created using Duxbury work on the Braillenote? And, how > >>>>>>> do > >>>>>>> files created using a Braillenote work when using Duxbury. > >>>>>>> The translator is not the issue. The issue is Keyword. If you > >>>>>>> create a > >>>>>>> .brf file using Duxbury, you will be able to read it just fine using > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> Braillenote. However, if you create a .brf file using the > >>>>>>> Braillenote > >>>>>>> and import it into Duxbury, your results can be quite frightening. > >>>>>>> One > >>>>>>> of my co-workers used the Braillenote to transcribe some music into > >>>>>>> Braille. When she brought it into Duxbury, it was a disaster. She > >>>>>>> described it to me like this: "it was a 20 page word!" no line > >>>>>>> breaks, > >>>>>>> no indication as to where anything began or ended. > >>>>>>> I am not advocating any note taker over another, but if the primary > >>>>>>> purpose for purchasing a note taker is that you are going to use it > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> create files which can subsequently be embossed using Duxbury you > >>>>>>> will > >>>>>>> have your work cut out for you. > > > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FunGuy > >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:10 AM > >>>>>>> To: Braillenote List > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury > >>>>>>> Files > > > >>>>>>> Hi Rick: > > >>>>>>> Terrific question! Let me start by saying that my bias is toward a > >>>>>>> member of > >>>>>>> the Braille Note family for your school district. There are several > >>>>>>> good > > >>>>>>> reasons which I will list and I will also suggest some questions you > >>>>>>> might > >>>>>>> pose to vendors and others knowledgeable in the field. > > > > >>>>>>> First, at this time, the Braille Note family has the largest > >>>>>>> installed > >>>>>>> base > >>>>>>> by far! That matters because bug fixes and good support are > >>>>>>> dependant > >>>>>>> on > >>>>>>> the size of the population a company like this serves. > > > > >>>>>>> Second, I believe you will find that the Braille translator used in > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> Braille Note family is Duxbury. I know that this is not the > >>>>>>> Translator > >>>>>>> used > >>>>>>> in the PacMate. In fact, this would be a serious concern were I > >>>>>>> making > >>>>>>> this > >>>>>>> purchase for school children. Why the PacMate uses a different > >>>>>>> translator > >>>>>>> is beyond the scope of this message, but as a pure bases of > >>>>>>> comparison, > >>>>>>> this > >>>>>>> may be enough of a concern to rule out the PacMate. > > > > >>>>>>> Third, the premise of the PacMate is using commercial software. What > >>>>>>> Freedom Scientific doesn't address well is who will pay for the cost > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> developing the set files(scripts) for the commercial software. > >>>>>>> Believe > >>>>>>> me, > >>>>>>> that is no small matter so that piece of the argument in favor of the > >>>>>>> PacMate is mute to say the least and disingenuous to say the most. > >>>>>>> If > >>>>>>> you > >>>>>>> accept this point, I would once again remind you of my first point > >>>>>>> about > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> size of the installed base. > > > > >>>>>>> Fourth, the Braille Note family uses a token system to indicate print > >>>>>>> formatting. As a life time Braille reader, I can tell you that this > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>> by > >>>>>>> far the best system for relating to print formatting. > > > > >>>>>>> Now for some questions you might ask to further clarify the issues. > >>>>>>> Rather > >>>>>>> then asking if the files can be transferred (I'm sure they can with > >>>>>>> all > >>>>>>> 3) I'd > >>>>>>> ask how the print format information is conveyed to the Braille > >>>>>>> reader. > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> think you will find that the token system in the Braille Note family > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> best by far. > > > > >>>>>>> Hardware is a big deal! It is also a matter of personal taste. I > >>>>>>> hope > >>>>>>> you > >>>>>>> are buying units with a Braille display. If so, you might just want > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> ask > >>>>>>> a few of the potential users which display seems most natural and > >>>>>>> comfortable. I would caution you in that regard that a display that > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>> refreshed by pressing router buttons in a location where they can > >>>>>>> easily > >>>>>>> be > >>>>>>> confused with other buttons is a recipe for trouble. It will slow > >>>>>>> down > >>>>>>> Braille reading particularly in young people. > > > > >>>>>>> Finally, I would look at the history of manufacturers in terms of > >>>>>>> cannibalizing there own products by forcing customers to buy new > >>>>>>> hardware by > >>>>>>> unnecessarily obsoleteing the old hardware. This will hurt your > >>>>>>> district > >>>>>>> in the long run. I trust something here is helpful. > > > > >>>>>>> Alan Holst > > > > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: "Rick Boggess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>> To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected] > >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:54 PM > >>>>>>> Subject: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files > > > >>>>>>>>I am sorry for the earlier message which I forgot to edit to reflect > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> appropriate product name. The message should have read as follows; > > >>>>>>>> I'm looking at notetakers for our school system. I would appreciate > >>>>>>>> hearing > >>>>>>>> from those with experience transferring Word and Duxbury files to > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>> the BrailleNote. Is this possibel? Does formatting remain in tact? > > >>>>>>>> Rick Boggess > > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >>>>>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >>>>>>>> Version: 7.0.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.4/563 - Release Date: > >>>>>>> 12/2/2006 > > > > >>>>>>>> ___ > >>>>>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > >>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > >>>>>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > >>>>>>> ___ > >>>>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > >>>>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > >>>>>>> ___ > >>>>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > >>>>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > >>>>>>> __________ NOD32 1902 (20061205) Information __________ > > >>>>>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>>>>>> http://www.eset.com > > > > > >>>>>>___ > >>>>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > >>>>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > >>>>> ___ > >>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > >>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > >>>>___ > >>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > >>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > >>> ___ > >>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > >>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > >> ___ > >> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > >> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > >> __________ NOD32 1904 (20061206) Information __________ > > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > > > > > >___ > >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > Christopher Hallsworth Skype name chrishallsworth7266
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