Disabled Student Services Cindy
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Terri Pannett Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:22 PM To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] braille note on testing What a DSS office? Perhaps this issue should be taken to another list, like the Blindad list. Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX ----- Original Message ----- From: "slery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: RE: [Braillenote] braille note on testing > Flint, > > High School tends to be a whole 'nother ball game. Teenagers tend to be > more apt to cheat or more than likely to play games. If they didn't want > you to use your notetaker in class, how did they expect you to take notes? > > To bring this back to the BN, how are others using their BNs for testing? > > I could see an easy way for high school teachers to verify > cheating/non-cheating would be to use a visual display during the test. I > know of students at the university that use an external floppy drive and > their professor provides them a disk and at the end of the test they give > it > back. The BN would also allow the blind student to use their notes when > their peers do. I have personally run into this problem where my > classmates > could use their book or notes but because I was using the computer in the > DSS office I did not have access to any of these things. Do you think > this > was fair to me? We always talk about the blind student having advantages > with technology but I think we are still at disadvantage in this regard. > Now that we have a daisy player, it will hopefully allow us to have the > same > access as our peers. > > Cindy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Flint > Million > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:14 AM > To: Braillenote List > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] braille note on testing > > > When I was in high school I had a Type 'n speak. Just about every teacher > I > had in school was very against the idea of my using it, even during > regular > class time. Their thinking was that I might not pay attention and might > instead drift off into something on the TNS, like say a game, or music (as > if the TNS actually could play good music...) The interesting thing with > technology is us disabled folk often tend to be ahead of our time. I > graduated high school in 2001 and at that time they still pretty much > banned > walkmans and portable CD in school; now with the advent of iPods they've > pretty much given up, last time I visited my school probably half the > students in the library were listening to their iPods. > > Us as blind people have been given amazing access with technology, but as > a > famous saying goes, with great power comes great responsibility. I'll be > the > first to admit, the temptation to cheat is huge, especially with something > like a notetaker that sighted people can't see (and remember the TNS > speech > was horrid so most people couldn't understand its voice either!). People > are > just afraid of what they do not understand. > > In terms of testing, what I would recommend of any teacher or school is, > if > they do not wish to allow the blind student use of their own notetaker - > and > I see all of the valid reasons why that might be denied - then some > alternative and *equal* form of access should be offered; for example, a > school-provided accessible computer, or if they're lucky, even a school > provided BrailleNote! Readers are not really "equal" in my mind because of > reasons previously stated: they can get grumpy if you ask to reread, and > it > doesn't just give you the freedom to explore the test and your answers at > your pace and in your own way. Not to mention I've had readers refuse to > put > down answers I've given. The only fair way to do it is to either use > Braille > in some fashion or provide an accessible computer system that is > school-administered and thus allows the school to feel confident that > cheating is not occuring but also allows the blind student to have the > access they need. And as stated, if other students are allowed to use > their > notes, then the blind person should be allowed to as well. Again the > BrailleNote has so many features that it's easy for a teacher to assume > you're up to no good (think cell phone + Bluetooth + GPRS = access to the > Internet during a test, EVEN if your teacher takes your phone before the > test!!!). We have to be honest and not take advantage of the technology > that > we have because all that will do in the end is cause us to lose access, > not > gain it. > > > > flint > > On 12/5/06, slery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I would also like to point out that more and more tests are via the >> computer >> on blackboard. This is the way the universities are moving so YES our >> sighted peers are definitely using computers for tests. Universities now >> days are pushing professors toward the digital age. In fact, this past >> year >> we had two professors use podcasts in their class as well as having more >> activities online. This was not a distance education course either. >> >> There also new devices being used across the country that are similar to >> a >> tv remote that are being used to conduct in-class quizzes and pose >> questions >> when in a big lecture hall. Blind students need as many advantages as >> they >> can come up with. Using the BN for tests is only the tip of the ice >> berg. >> >> Cindy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of david >> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 6:04 PM >> To: Braillenote List >> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] braille note on testing >> >> >> One more point. Sighted people usually don't use cell phones or pdas for >> tests or any kind of schoolwork. They usually use the plain old pencil >> and >> pen. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karyn Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:49 AM >> Subject: RE: [Braillenote] braille note on testing >> >> >> > Mike, you still have the cheating factor as well as the fact that >> sighted >> > students are not allowed to use computers, calculators or PDAs for >> > testing. >> > That being the case, we should not be allowed either. 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