I don't dis anyone!
My point was, that that we all perceive things as we perceive them.  I
personally have a difficult time dealing with Keynote, always have.
That doesn't mean that it doesn't work for others, and frankly that's a
good thing.  Think of how boring the world would be if everyone liked
the same things!
Rest Assured, Louise, I'm glad they have Keynote so you can use it!  I'm
just as glad they have Eloquence so I don't have to! (smile)

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Subject: RE: [Braillenote] reflections on elequence1,keynote gold and
speaking with an accent or dialect


Richard:
I don't think you should diss keynote speech that 
much because the eloquence speech isn't exactly 
something to rave about.  Personally i love 
keynote for its responsiveness and clear 
pronunciation as i have found some words hard to 
figure out with eloquence.  I did try using 
eloquence when i got my mpower in october, but 
apart from being quieter and slower than keynote i 
found the voice unrealistic and it made the 
speaker crackle.

Having used supernova and window eyes i've found 
that keynote always wins, and i just wish they'd 
make a screen reader with keynote speech that's as 
good as window eyes.

Thanks, louise.
ps: feel free to diss me if y'all want.


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>From: "Richard Ring" 
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>Date sent: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 13:42:07 -0600
>Subject: RE: [Braillenote] reflections on 
elequence1,keynote gold and speaking with an 
accent or dialect

>Greetings:
>It is not possible in the words of a mere mortal 
to describe how much I
>loathe Keynote Gold speech.  I cannot wax 
eloquently enough on this
>subject.  However, being for the most part a 
rational human being I
>realize that these are purely subjective  
thoughts.  Music, art, food,
>and speech synthesizers are truly things that we 
do not  agree on, and
>why should we?
>Frankly Keynote Gold sounds to me like an angry 
insect with its mouth
>full!     It sounds as if it is lying under a 
pillow.
>Now, this does not mean that Eloquence doesn't 
have its issues,
>especially when it comes to the Braillenote.  I 
have used all of the
>major note taking devices on the market.  The 
Braillenote mPower is the
>only such device on which Eloquence stutters.  
Often when I am showing a
>student how to become accustomed to the Braille 
note's keyboard, I will
>have that student type with the keyboard voice set 
to spell.  Eloquence
>cannot even come close to keeping up with what is 
being typed.  This is
>quite frustrating for new students.  Since many of 
my students are not
>competent enough in Braille to take advantage of 
that media, they must
>rely on speech.  And, I will tell you this.  I 
have never found one
>student who prefers Keynote Gold over Eloquence.  
But, I am confident
>that one day, I shall!


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>shelton
>Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:05 PM
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>Subject: [Braillenote] reflections on 
elequence1,keynote gold and
>speaking with an accent or dialect


>I purchased the voicenote thinking that I would 
prefer the
>Eloquence after using it with JAWS but now 
exclusively work with
>Keynote.  Eloquence is piercing to my ear.  
Keynote is soothing
>and just goes right into my brain.  Years ago I 
preferred the
>Artic voice over the supposedly human sounding 
decktalk.  There
>is something creepy with a synthesizer trying to 
sound human!
>Keynote has done a passible job with various 
dialects.  By which
>I mean that it was not distracting to me to read 
book characters
>speaking with scottish, or Cockney dialects.  I 
did use the
>pronunciation dictionary for just a few words and 
names which was
>easy! u for utility, p for pronunciation 
dictionary, a to add
>word follow prompts.  It would be fun to be able 
to switch to a
>different dialect such as Irish, Scottish or 
British all within
>the English version.
>Another problem with Eloquence is that it will 
speak French for
>no reason.  Whats with that?
>Question: are the rates of speed equal for each 
voice? I mean, do
>you get the same words per minute for each number 
chosen.
>Eloquence sounds faster and maybe more jarring.
>Have there been studies on this stuff? One voice 
which sounds
>terrible to me is that of the bookport.  Where is 
that Artic
>voice? I think it was the 263 chip.  That's all.  
Thanks for
>listening.

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