Terri; Thanks for your imfo. I just sent that e-mail, because someone on the list wanted contact imfo of the moderators on the list. It was just faster to just forward the two e-mails than try to dopy the imfo for the person. Sorry about the misunderstanding. Terry Powers
-----Original Message----- From: Terri Pannett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:14 PM To: Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]; Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files Duxbury doesn't like .brf files created on the BN or any other notetaker because the files don't show any line endings or page endings DBT recognizes, even if the line format option is used. When you try to open a .brf file created on the BN using DBT and you import it as a Formatted braille file, much of your data will be lost. If you import the .brf files as Duxbury coded Braille files, all of the data will be there but your formatting may be different. There are two work-arounds: (1) When you create your .brf file on the BN, turn word wrap off and manually insert all spaces and hard returns. (2) If you have created a Keyword braille file using a BT keyboard and you want to read it using DBT Win, translate the Keyword braille file to WordPerfect. The WordPerfect file will import into DBT quite well, but you will have to remove all of the extra asterisks which will show in the file. QT users can translate any KeyWord text file into WP and then import the WP file into DBT and remove the asterisks. You can also translate any Keyword file into Word, but you must first open the file in Word and save it as a Word 6 file and then the new Word file will import into DBT. This is because the BN doesn't create true Word files but Rich Text files and DBT doesn't support rtf files. If you choose to export the KeyWord documents as ASCII text, the files won't import well unless you open them using a text editor and save them anew. Then, when you import the files into DBT, they will import as Windows text. I have often suggested HumanWare should change the codes in Keyword so they can be understood by DBT or any other PC word processor and the DBT codes should be implemented so a .brf file created on the BN will import properly into DBT. HumanWare should also improve the export feature so true Word files can be created. Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:55 AM Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files > Here is one moderator. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:54 PM > To: Braillenote List > Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files > > Hello Richard, > > When you save a .brf file on the BrailleNote you have the option of > saving > it complete with line formatting or with just paragraph formatting. For > > .brf files, Duxbury requires that they be already line formatted so you > must use KeySoft's Line Format option when saving or exporting the .brf > file. If you use Paragraph format, Duxbry will give you a warning > "Page > width exceeded" and will truncate any content that goes beyond Duxbury' > right margin. > > Where you set Line or Paragraph format depends on how you are generating > > the .brf file: > > 1. If you are editing it in KeyWord, then at the "Review Options?" > prompt > after selecting the file, answer "yes" and then move through the list > until you get to the prompt "Use line or paragraph format when saving > the > document?" and set this to "Line". > > 2. In all other cases set the "Use Line or Paragraph?" setting in the > "ASCII Translation Options" to "Line". To get to the "ASCII > Translation > Options", select File Manager, then "Translate File", then "ASCII > Translation Options". > > Best regards > > Jonathan Sharp > > HumanWare > 11 Mary Muller Drive, Christchurch > New Zealand > > DDI: +64 3 940 2255 > Fax: +64-3-384 4933 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Internet: www.humanware.com > > > > > > "Richard Ring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 06/12/2006 09:26 a.m. > Please respond to > Braillenote List <[email protected]> > > > To > "Braillenote List" <[email protected]> > cc > > Subject > RE: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files > > > > > > > The question you should be asking is this: > How do files created using Duxbury work on the Braillenote? And, how do > files created using a Braillenote work when using Duxbury. > The translator is not the issue. The issue is Keyword. If you create a > .brf file using Duxbury, you will be able to read it just fine using the > Braillenote. However, if you create a .brf file using the Braillenote > and import it into Duxbury, your results can be quite frightening. One > of my co-workers used the Braillenote to transcribe some music into > Braille. When she brought it into Duxbury, it was a disaster. She > described it to me like this: "it was a 20 page word!" no line breaks, > no indication as to where anything began or ended. > I am not advocating any note taker over another, but if the primary > purpose for purchasing a note taker is that you are going to use it to > create files which can subsequently be embossed using Duxbury you will > have your work cut out for you. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FunGuy > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:10 AM > To: Braillenote List > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files > > > Hi Rick: > > Terrific question! Let me start by saying that my bias is toward a > member of > the Braille Note family for your school district. There are several good > > reasons which I will list and I will also suggest some questions you > might > pose to vendors and others knowledgeable in the field. > > > > First, at this time, the Braille Note family has the largest installed > base > by far! That matters because bug fixes and good support are dependant > on > the size of the population a company like this serves. > > > > Second, I believe you will find that the Braille translator used in the > Braille Note family is Duxbury. I know that this is not the Translator > used > in the PacMate. In fact, this would be a serious concern were I making > this > purchase for school children. Why the PacMate uses a different > translator > is beyond the scope of this message, but as a pure bases of comparison, > this > may be enough of a concern to rule out the PacMate. > > > > Third, the premise of the PacMate is using commercial software. What > Freedom Scientific doesn't address well is who will pay for the cost of > developing the set files(scripts) for the commercial software. Believe > me, > that is no small matter so that piece of the argument in favor of the > PacMate is mute to say the least and disingenuous to say the most. If > you > accept this point, I would once again remind you of my first point about > the > size of the installed base. > > > > Fourth, the Braille Note family uses a token system to indicate print > formatting. As a life time Braille reader, I can tell you that this is > by > far the best system for relating to print formatting. > > > > Now for some questions you might ask to further clarify the issues. > Rather > then asking if the files can be transferred (I'm sure they can with all > 3) I'd > ask how the print format information is conveyed to the Braille reader. > I > think you will find that the token system in the Braille Note family is > the > best by far. > > > > Hardware is a big deal! It is also a matter of personal taste. I hope > you > are buying units with a Braille display. If so, you might just want to > ask > a few of the potential users which display seems most natural and > comfortable. I would caution you in that regard that a display that is > refreshed by pressing router buttons in a location where they can easily > be > confused with other buttons is a recipe for trouble. It will slow down > Braille reading particularly in young people. > > > > Finally, I would look at the history of manufacturers in terms of > cannibalizing there own products by forcing customers to buy new > hardware by > unnecessarily obsoleteing the old hardware. This will hurt your > district > in the long run. I trust something here is helpful. > > > > Alan Holst > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Boggess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:54 PM > Subject: [Braillenote] Reading/Transferring Word and Duxbury Files > > >>I am sorry for the earlier message which I forgot to edit to reflect > the >> appropriate product name. The message should have read as follows; >> >> I'm looking at notetakers for our school system. I would appreciate >> hearing >> from those with experience transferring Word and Duxbury files to and > from >> the BrailleNote. Is this possibel? 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