Who is the Humanware BN Techican on this list? I do not want to read the junk messages but I like to read here from the true knowledge with BN.
Leslie-- ----- Original Message ---- From: Joseph Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Kristen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: BrailleNote List <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:26:24 AM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrading KeySoft to Windows CE 6.0 hi there 1 some risks include compatibility issues with virtual memory some issues with bluetooth stack and audio be because the operating system was rewritten from scratch keysoft needs to be checked to see if there might be potential compatibility issues it will still be same braillenotestvoicenote except it has latest windows ce to was as of time of this article in question ofjuly ;"by (with con there are numerous features that were introduced with windows ce en0 mainly use of ram solely as program memory faster global search and so forth to take advantage of these features plus features that i've outlined on the article ofnamely improved bluetooth and running almost unlimited number of programswith it is a good idea to upgrade to ce to by thanks for all of you who've commented ofboth on list and off listwith about the article hope i didn't confuse anyone cheers joseph > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Kristen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Joseph Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date sent: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:06:51 -0400 >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrading KeySoft to Windows CE 6.0 >Hello Joseph, Sharonda, and Everyone, >Joseph, on: >Sunday, July Fifteenth, 2007 >At: 04:07 P.M, You Wrote: >("for the benefit of the list and to stay ahead of >competition, it would be best to upgrade to CE 6.0 even though it >is risky.") >What Are the risks? >You wrote further: >("You'll need to basically start from scratch due to the >redesigned operating system and so forth.") >Will it change the braillenote / voicenote so that it no longer gives >the user all of it's Wonderful to numerous to count features? >Will It no longer give us the users or purchasers of these machines' >the option to use either a BT Style KEYBOARD; or a QT Style Keyboard? >The BT Style is the one that I prefer. >You Wrote Further: >("And besides, CE 6.0 >contains numerous enhancements found in CE 5.0, so it would be >beneficial to upgrade to CE 6.0 rather than 5.0.") >What might the benefits be if one were to upgrade to Windows (C E) >Version 6.0? >THANK You For Answering My Questions'! >("So Faith, Hope, LOVE Remain, These Three; But The Greatest Of These >Is LOVE!.") >May GOD BLESS You And Give You HIS PEACE! >From Your Friend, In OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, And OUR BLESSED >VIRGIN MOTHER Mary, Kristen >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: Joseph Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: "Sharonda Greenlaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Date sent: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 04:07:25 -0700 >>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrading KeySoft to Windows CE 6.0 >>Hi Sharonda, >>>From what I've seen, upgrading to Windows CE 5 versus using >>Windows CE 6.0 is easier. This upgrade is essentially same as >>Windows CE 4.21, except that you'll get some Bluetooth >>enhancements and introduction of faster Global Search through >>Windows Live search on the device. A major improvement in CE 5.0 >>and subsequent versions of CE is usage of Flash as main storage >>space versus using part of the RAM as "RAM Disk" to store data, >>thereby allowing two things to happen: the RAM will solely be >>used for running programs and you don't have to worry about >>losing your files because all of your files (including system >>files) are stored in Flash. Other than that, I don't see any >>differences between Windows CE 4.x and 5.0. In my opinion, >>though, for the benefit of the list and to stay ahead of >>competition, it would be best to upgrade to CE 6.0 even though it >>is risky. You'll need to basically start from scratch due to the >>redesigned operating system and so forth. And besides, CE 6.0 >>contains numerous enhancements found in CE 5.0, so it would be >>beneficial to upgrade to CE 6J rather than 5.0. >>Cheers, >>Joseph >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Sharonda Greenlaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To: "Armando Maldonado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Date sent: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 03:49:39 -0700 >>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrading KeySoft to Windows CE 6.0 >>>Joseph, >>>Your article is extremely informative. I know you're not >>Humanware, >>>but I figure you might have some thoughts on this question: >>>Though we can't upgrade to CE 6.0, whz couldn't we upgrade to CE >>5.0? >>>>hat upgrade wouldn't be as radical. >>>Just a question. Thanks. >>>Sharonda >>>On 7/14/07, Armando Maldonado <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>wrote: >>>> Very very well explained! I liked how you made the article short >>and sweet. >>>> Keep up the awesome work. >>>> Armando >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joseph Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To: "BrailleNote List" <[email protected] >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:53 PM >>>> Subject: [Braillenote] Upgrading KeySoft to Windows CE 6.0 >>>>> Hi Alex, Cindy and list, >>>>> I'm not a software developer (software development was never my >>strong >>>>> point, grin) but I'll try my best to explain this in simple but >>detailed >>>>> context: >>>>> INTRODUCTION >>>>> Whenever a new product is released to the general public from >>companies >>>>> such as Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, etc., the general public >>wants to know >>>>> what's new with the product. The features that these companies >>and other >>>>> companies list as part of the product release would be easy for >>people to >>>>> understand and many people would say that upgrading would allow >>them to >>>>> use promised features. >>>>> ON THE SOFTWARE SIDE >>>>> For software developers like HumanWare staff and OEM's (Original >>Equipment >>>>> Manufacturer), the release of a new operating system >>(particularly from >>>>> Microsoft) usually means that they need to come up with >>strategies to >>>>> implement features of this new operating systems to their >>benefit and for >>>>> the benefit of the customers. For example, when Microsoft said, >>when >>>>> Windows Vista (Windows NT 6.0) was released, that this new >>operating >>>>> system would no longer support older CPU's such as Pentium III >>and older >>>>> processors, many people who were using computers based on these >>chips were >>>>> worried and switched to newer processors such as Dual Core >>processors from >>>>> Intel and AMD. Also, for example, when Apple announced that it >>will >>>>> establish partnership with Intel to create iMacks (hope I'm >>spelling it >>>>> right), many people who were using Power PC CPUS to run Mac OSX >>switched >>>>> to Intel-based iMacks for some experiments. As previous >>examples >>>>> illustrates, whenever a major software or hardware is released, >>people >>>>> would anticipate as to its impact on their computing lives. >>>>> ABOUT WINDOWS CE 6.0 >>>>> Microsoft released Windows CE 6.0 on November 1, 2006. >>Microsoft hinted >>>>> that this new Windows CE version is different from previous >>versions and >>>>> allows devices to run more programs. This was achieved by >>modifying the >>>>> operating system kernel--the real heart of Windows CE--to take >>advantage >>>>> of increased Virtual Memory from 32 MB to 2 GB. An operating >>system >>>>> kernel is some kind of a process that can be described as "heart >>of the >>>>> OS" - meaning that it is a central component of the operating >>system that >>>>> interfaces with hardware and software (mostly between firmware >>and >>>>> software). Virtual Memory is some kind of a memory where you >>can use more >>>>> memory than physical RAM. Also, this new kernel allows devices >>to run >>>>> almost unlimited number of programs/processes (processes is >>another term >>>>> for programs) - up to about 30,000 programs. (Remember, that >>under >>>>> Windows CE 4.2, you can run up to 32 programs at once.) Also, >>the audio >>>>> stack and bluetooth functions has been redesigned and the way of >>running >>>>> programs is significantly different from Windows CE 4.2. >>>>> As the illustrations above shows, Windows CE 6.0 is not just a >>simple >>>>> upgrade: it is a radical departure. >>>>> SO WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH BrailleNote USERS? >>>>> Because of the way Windows CE 6.0 is designed, just running >>KeySoft on top >>>>> of CE6.0 when it is designed for CE4.2 will not work. Due to >>the >>>>> redesigned operating system that takes advantage of nearly >>thousandfold of >>>>> virtual memory (2 GB or roughly 2000 MB), KeySoft needs to be >>>>> rewritten/recompiled to take advantage of increased virtual >>memory >>>>> support. As the chat summary states, the hardware on the mPower >>and PK is >>>>> capable of running Windows CE 6.0 (especially on the mPower). >>>>> WHAT ABOUT BrailleNote Classic USERS? >>>>> There are numerous reasons why Classic won't be able to run >>under CE6.0 >>>>> (I'll try my best to answer many questions that has been >>discussed on the >>>>> list from non-programming perspective): >>>>> * The processor itself (MIPS R4000 at 100 MHz) does not have >>sufficient >>>>> capabilities to support CE6.0 because of its speed and rarity of >>devices >>>>> running Windows CE that is powered by MIPS processors. Most >>devices these >>>>> days run under ARM processors. >>>>> * Classic does not have enough memory to support CE6.0 features, >>notably >>>>> newer audio stack and virtual memory (although one can use >>"emulation" for >>>>> it). >>>>> * The audio hardware on the Classic does not have sufficient >>capabilities >>>>> to support newer audio stack (devices these days have >>multichannel sound >>>>> cards vs. single channel sound cards present on Classic). >>>>> These are reasons why Classic will not, and unfortunately unable >>to >>>>> support upgrading to Windows CE 6.0 (it has endured enough to be >>powered >>>>> by Windows CE 4.2). >>>>> WHAT POSSIBILITIES CAN USERS EXPECT FROM UPGRADING TO WINDOWS CE >>6.0? >>>>> If HumanWare upgrades to Windows CE 6.0, the following >>suggestions that >>>>> were posted on the list will come true: >>>>> * Enhanced Bluetooth supporting Bluetooth audio and Object >>Exchange (ObEx) >>>>> protocol so you can send data to other Bluetooth devices. >>>>> * Enhanced Audio stack (probably a new hardware upgrade is in >>order). >>>>> * The issue of "not enough storage" error would be resolved >>through use of >>>>> tons of virtual memory (KeySoft alone can use up to 2 GB of >>virtual >>>>> memory). >>>>> * Support for Office 2007 files and better MS Word documents >>support. >>>>> * Support for Power Point (did I spell it right?) files. >>>>> * Support for SDIO (Secure Digital Input/Output) cards such as >>SD WiFi and >>>>> modem cards (probably a new hardware is in order). >>>>> These are some of the possibilities that we can expect in >>Windows CE 6.0. >>>>> Conclusion: Every new product release, especially operating >>system >>>>> release, carries considerable impact on customers, >>computer/device >>>>> manufacturers and software developers. Although it may have new >>features >>>>> for better productivity and computer lives, for developers, this >>means >>>>> another challenge for them, especially if the product in >>question is >>>>> different from what developers have been used to using. As >>illustrated >>>>> above, Windows CE 6.0 is not just an evolutionary release, but >>rather a >>>>> radical departure from what we've seen on devices that runs >>under Windows >>>>> CE, namely support for larger virtual memory, redesigned audio >>and >>>>> Bluetooth stack and so forth. For this reason, a software that >>has been >>>>> designed for an older OS such as Windows CE 4.2 needs to be >>rewritten to >>>>> take advantage of new features found in CE6.0. A software >>written for an >>>>> older operating system, say for Windows 98 will not take >>advantage of new >>>>> features released in newer operating systems such as Windows >>Vista. This >>>>> is critical when running a software on a portable device such as >>>>> BrailleNote family of products. Although we' as users of this >>product, >>>>> will see many improvements and suggestions come alive, for >>developers, it >>>>> would be a challenge to compile KeySoft to take advantage of new >>features >>>>> introduced in the latest version of Windows CE designed for >>portable >>>>> devices. As Joseph Lee, the author of this message and a >>BrailleNote user >>>>> proclaims, "Use a given technology to its full potential." - use >>your >>>>> technology to take advantage of it. >>>>> I hope the above article made sense to everyone. If you have >>any >>>>> questions for me, feel free to contact me. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> JosephP.S. Just a comparison: even though the competition >>claims that it >>>>> runs under latest Windows Mobile technology, don't be fooled, as >>it still >>>>> runs under Windows CE 5 technology (This was not meant to be an >>attack on >>>>> a specific product). >>>>> ___ >>>>> Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>> If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>>> copy to the list as well. >>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> ___ >>>> Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>> If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>> copy to the list as well. >>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>-- >>>Come, read and take a journey with me at >>>www.WorldOfShariG.blogspot.com >>>___ >>>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>copy to the list as well. >>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>___ >>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>copy to the list as well. >>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. 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