Hi, guys. it is also very annoying when reading e-mail and you have to read
the spelled out greater than or less than.
At 4/25/2004, you wrote:
Sabahattin,
Thanks for your response. That's really too bad that Duxbury handles
symbols in that way. mathematical braille is full of all kinds of
extraneous symbols in
my opinion, but just treating them as words really doesn't make a lot of
sense, especially when you're reading something like a manual where the
braces and
other such symbols are used to denote required or optional parameters.
I am trying to read a manual on a piece of electronic equipment, and the
excess verbiage is really a nuisance, but I don't want the manual displayed in
straight grade one either.
It may just be easier to read it on the pc and use the bn as a braille
display, at least for the moment.
I may try some search and replace, just to see what happens.
There were a lot of things not to like in the previous bn translator, but
their handling of symbols sure make for easier reading and reference.
Again, thanks for the reply.
Don
On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:37:40 +0100, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
Hi Don,
On 24 Apr 2004 at 22:55, Don Bishop spoke, thus:
[...]
> Anyway, I have a text file which I moved from the pc to the bn qt. The
> problem is that when I try reading the file things like the greater-than
> sign > is spelled out in words rather than showing the sign. The same is
> for the left-brace and some other such symbols. The text, as a whole seems
> okay, but sure can't remember how to get those special characters to show
> as symbols rather than words.
You can't. If you are viewing the document in grade 2, then you cannot
see symbolic representations for these characters, because grade 2
provides no such symbols. Remember, grade 2 is literary braille; these
symbols are infrequent in such contexts. If you want to view the computer
braille symbol for the symbols in question, though, you can use cursor
routing in all modes (except reading mode) to route the cursor either on
or immediately before or after the expanded words and you will have either
a subimposed character or an expanded computer braille combination of
characters in which the symbol appears in your chosen computer braille
format.
> I even tried creating a formatted braille file on the pc using Duxbury
> and moving that to the bn, but the characters are still spelled out as
> words.
Naturally. BrailleNote now uses Duxbury's translator, too.
> Also, I don't want to change the format of text files, just the braille
> ones.
You may do so. Make a translation - either on your BrailleNote or your PC
- of the flat file into braille. Now, open and edit your braille file to
your heart's content. Be cautioned, though - the backtranslator will
translate whatever you decide is a suitable symbolic replacement according
to your chosen grade 2 notation, so choose symbols wisely.
> What is the obvious that I'm missing here?
It isn't all that obvious, really. I only found out because Window-Eyes'
manual mentioned that the same characters were expanded, and I suddenly
remembered that it, too, uses Duxbury. needless to say, we are not all
unfathomably lost in this difficulty - here in the United Kingdom, the
Braille Association of the United Kingdom (BAUK, http://www.bauk.org.uk/ )
has allowed mathematics notation to be used in literary contexts, with
some restrictions. We don't have this problem - most symbols are still
available in grade 2. However, Duxbury probably doesn't see it this way,
and since it is from the US, as seems to be everything, we are obliged to
follow league.
Cheers,
Sabahattin
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