Oh OK, I get it now. It makes a lot of sense to do what you do because it saves some steps. I'm going to do it in the future. Thanks. Maria
> ----- Original Message ----- >From: James Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Braillenote List <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:03:48 -0800 >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] frustrated downloading book fro webbraille >Hi again Maria, >I usually go into a book first and save it to a file. I then do a Z with >spacebar which takes me out of the book and I see my last link I was >in. This is where I point the cursor to one, use the overwrite command, >type in the two which replaces the one, then hit enter. This brings me to >that volume. I then save that to a file, exit the book, my last volume two >link is showing, I point the cursor to the two, use the overwrite command, >type in the three, press enter which places me into the new volume which I >save to a file. I keep doing this till I download all the book. I believe >the editing is done in Keyweb, and one isn't trying to edit on a web site. >Jim Aldrich >At 08:42 AM 03/21/2004 , you wrote: >>Hi Jim, >>Thanks for the clarification. One more thing though. Are you saying you >>use it in KeyWeb? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, so let me go through an >>example of what I mean. When I search through the online catalog, the >>results page that pops up is the one whose title starts with "Voyager" and >>then continues to include your search strings and a bunch of numbers and >>stuff that I don't really pay attention to. Anyway, on that page are the >>search results. Are you saying that you put the cursor on the actual >>link, execute the Overwrite command, and then inputting the correct number >>takes you to the link for the next volume on the actual Web page? Or do >>you mean that once you've downloaded Volume 1, you do ENTER with O, and >>then do the Overwrite command on the actual URL address? When you're on a >>Web page, and you hit a letter or number in KeyWeb while you're not in a >>text input field, this takes you to the next link that starts with that >>letter. The links for the volumes of books start with an h for http, so >>if you hit the number "2" for Volume 2, you wouldn't be taken anywhere, >>and you'd just receive an Error Alert Tone because there wasn't a link >>that started with the number 2. Also, you can't exactly edit the Web page >>because someone else created it, and you're not opening it in a place like >>KeyWord where editing is possible. I suppose you could save the page as >>an HTML file, then open that HTML file, and somehow, amid all the >>"less-than", "greater-than", "font style", "color style", and all the >>other junk that appears in those files when you don't open them in a Web >>browser, you could edit the link. However, it still wouldn't work because >>the file would go back to its default, as it was saved in the way that >>someone else created it, and as you didn't design the site, the only >>person that could actually edit it was the designer who was working at the >>"other end", if you know what I mean. Also, the Web page would have other >>components that you hadn't saved in the HTML file. Even if you attempt to >>do the Overwrite command while your cursor is on an actual link of a Web >>page, you'd just get the Error tone because you can't edit links; what I >>mean by a link is that text between the dots 2-4-6 and dots 1-3-5 symbols >>that signify a link on the Braille display in KeyWeb when you're actually >>on a Web page. That's why I'm thinking you do ENTER with O and then edit >>that address. You mentioned that it beats typing in the whole link, which >>further convinces me that this is what you might be doing, and if it is, I >>totally agree with you; I would hate to have to type in the whole >>link. Also, it's a faster way than to Go Back with ENTER with B, and then >>select the appropriate link from the web page with the "Voyager" >>title. It makes sense that it's available in KeyWord and KeyBook because >>you can edit documents and prompts. Also, I think the Overwrite command >>is equivalent to the BACKSPACE with dots 3-6 command, but please correct >>me if I'm wrong. I never quite got the hang of the Blazie products, so >>I'm sure that by nMaria >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: James Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To: Braillenote List <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 07:58:03 -0800 >>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] frustrated downloading book fro webbraille >>>Hello Maria and list, >>>Sorry, I goofed! The overwrite command is the O W sign, dots 2, 4, 6 on a >>>BT Keyboard. This was added to the BN some upgrades back. It is the same >>>command the Blazie products use to use when overwriting a given letter. In >>>the BN, that command deletes the wrong letter, leaves the cursor where the >>>letter was deleted and one types in the new letter or character. This >>>command works when one is in keyword as well as in a book when on the NLS >>>Web Site. When I am on a link, especially when a volume number is >>>indicated in the link, I place my cursor on the volume number, execute the >>>overwrite command and write in the new volume number. This takes me to the >>>new link. It beats typing in the entire link again! It works nicely >> for me! >>>Jim Aldrich >>>At 11:01 AM 03/20/2004 , you wrote: >>>>What do you mean, an Overwrite command. SPACE with O is the Options Menu, >>>>and you can't edit links anyway. The only thing you can edit is anything >>>>you've inputted into a Text Input field because you can't edit stuff on a >>>>website that's been created by someone else. The stuff that someone's put >>>>on a website's just there, and you can't do anything about it. When >>>>you've downloaded Volume 1, you advance the display until you get to the >>>>Volume 2 link, and then you hit a touch cursor button above one of the >>>>cells on which the link is displayed, and hitting it should activate the >>>>link. Alternatively, you press SPACE until you get to the link, then >>>>press ENTER. When you get the web page on your Display after your book's >>>>done downloading, which is after the "Please Wait" message has disappeared >>>>due to completion of download, you save the file, whether it appears on >>>>the Display or not, and it will be there for you to access in KeyBook or >>>>KeyWord. Once you've downloaded Volume 1, you have to hit ENTER with B to >>>>Go Back to the page that's got the information about the book on it (not >>>>the actual book's contents), and then you'll see the links for the other >>>>volumes. If you log on to the actual Web-Braille site, you'll first be >>>>prompted for your User Name and PassWord, which you put in, like you did >>>>Lisa. If, however, you're searching from the NLS site, you'll be asked >>>>for the UserName and PassWord info when you activate the first link of a >>>>book you want to download. Note that the Online Catalog you search with >>>>both the NLS and actual Web-Braille site are the same thing. The NLS site >>>>is www.loc.gov/nlsand the Web-Braille site is www.loc.gov/nls/braille >>>>Another point; when saving the book, you're offered the file >>>>name. However, you can hit BACKSPACE to switch drives or folders. At the >>>>"Folder Name" prompt, you can do SPACE with T to get into Directory Mode, >>>>if you want to save it in a sub-directory of the folder. You select >>>>directories in the same way as folders, but you move one layer at a time >>>>and hit ENTER after selecting each layer. If you want to move up >>>>directory layers, hit SPACE with dots 2-3. If you want to type in a >>>>directory, do a Slash, dots 3-4, before each layer, including the very >>>>first one. The SPACE with T goes back and forth between Folder and >>>>Directory Mode every time you press it. I've never gotten the Error >>>>Allert Tone when downloading, but if you get one immediately after the >>>>"Please Wait" message comes up, don't worry about it because, if you see >>>>the "Percent Complete" after "Please Wait" or hear Progress Tones, it'll >>>>download. However, if your unit does ever lock up, a Reset with no keys >>>>held down should fix it. Finally, the "Free Database Space" option >>>>applies to KeyList and KeyMail, not KeyWeb; if it were available in >>>>KeyWeb, there would be this option somewhere in the program, which there >>>>isn't. BTW, I think there is an Overwrite command on Freedom Scientific >>>>notetakers, which I never know how to work, so I'm wondering if you maybe >>>>mixed it up with the BrailleNote. Sorry folks, but IMaria >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: James Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>To: Braillenote List <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:33:11 -0800 >>>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] frustrated downloading book fro webbraille >>>>>Hi Lisa, >>>>>Go onto the NLS Web Site Again. Select your book as you did before. Use >>>>>your cursor keys and you should see the name of the book, Author >> etc. When >>>>>you are on line with that site, the response time from the site may be >> slow >>>>>so be patient. Once you see anything about the book on your display, do >>>>>the command to save a file. It is spacebar with S. When asked for the >>>>>filename, give it your preferred name with a .brf extention. Your BN >>>>>should save the file. If the book you wish to read has more than one >>>>>volume, move your cursor so that the number one of volume 1 is under >>>>>it. Do the overwrite command which is spacebar O on a bt. Write two in >>>>>its place and hit enter. The next volume should be on your display. Save >>>>>that volume to a file. Keep doing this till you have all the volumes of >>>>>the book you wish to read in your unit. If you are getting the low beep >>>>>sound at any point, reset your unit and try again! Do other things as >>>>>freeing database space etc. This may help you with properly downloading >>>>>books since your flash and system disks will have more space to work >>>>>with. Downloading books is surprisingly easy with a BN. >>>>>HTH >>>>>Jim Aldrich >>>>> At 03:37 AM 03/20/2004 , you wrote: >>>>>>Hi Listers, >>>>>>I actually attempted to download a book from WebBraille and I don't think >>>>>>it got downloaded. If it did I have no clue where the BN put the >> book. I >>>>>>just downloaded one volume of a book and here's what happened. I put in >>>>>>my user name and paassword and then I got this Web page that just >> said the >>>>>>link with the volume of the book on it. That's it else on the >>>>>>page. Actually it was not a link just a Web address. I would press >> enter >>>>>>on it and get nothing. What am I doing wrong? If my password and user >>>>>>name were rejected I would think the NLS Web site would have some >>>>>>rejection message. Why is something so simple so hard? I just thought >>>>>>using Web Braille would be easy but I guess I'm wrong us usual when it >>>>>>comes to the BN. I looked in all of my folders and the book isn't >>>>>>there. I didn't have any progress tones or please wait messages when >> this >>>>>>weird Web page with the book number and volume came up. I would >>>>>>appreciate any advice anyone can give me. Thanks for your help. ! >>>>>> Sorry I just thought this would be easy. >>>>>>Lisa >>>>>>___ >>>>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>>http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>>___ >>>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>? >>>>___ >>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>___ >>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>___ >>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote
