Hi Terry,

what they may be talking about is the fact that the braillenote will work as a 
speech synthesizer with window eye while it will not work as a speech 
synthesizer with jaws.  It will, however, work as a braille display with both 
programs.  

You should be able to access most banking sites on your pc using jaws, and now 
you can do much the same from your braillenote running keysoft 6.1 as 
well.  So, as far as accessing internet sites, you now have two choices, your 
pc with your favorite screen reader, and/or the braillenote with keysoft 6.1.  

The only times you would use the braillenote in conjunction with a pc running 
your screen reader would be if you wish to use the braillenote as a braille 
display, to transfer files, or in the case of window eyes as a speech 
synthesizer.  

It does get a bit confusing at times and hope this clears it up a little.

Don

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:47:31 -0500, Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) wrote:

Don;
Why do they say window eyes works with the BN and Jaws doesn't?  I have
heard this many time on this e-mail but never knew why.  Banking is
something I would love to have access to in the future.
Terry


-----Original Message-----
From: Don Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:41 PM
To: Braillenote List
Subject: RE: [Braillenote] keysoft 6.1 is outstanding, fantastic job
Puls e Data!


The braillenote does not use either jaws or window eyes.  I was simply
comparing the use of the braillenote with a pc.  I assume most people know
that 
window eyes is a screen reader for the pc and not the braillenote.  

Sorry if I am incorrect in my assumption.

Don

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:35:34 -0500, Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) wrote:

What I am really trying to find out is where does a bn need to use Jaws or
Window Eyes?


-----Original Message-----
From: Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:13 PM
To: 'Braillenote List'
Subject: RE: [Braillenote] keysoft 6.1 is outstanding, fantastic job
Puls e Data!


Hi don;
If you are accessing your bank account from your bn, I guess through the
internet, why do you need Window Eyes.  I use Jaws and does that mean I can
not access any of my bank accounts?  
Terry Powers


-----Original Message-----
From: Don Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:50 PM
To: Braillenote List; Les Kriegler
Subject: RE: [Braillenote] keysoft 6.1 is outstanding, fantastic job
Pulse Data!


Hi Les,

I'm sending this to the list as well as to you personally as there may be
some interest in this.

The updated browser in 6.1 will indeed access many secure sites.  Can't say
about Bank of America as I don't have an account there so can't actually log

in, but my bank site is quite accessible now.  Actually it isn't, but that's
the fault of the bank and their web designers; it's barely accessible with
window eyes.  
What I do mean about accessible though is that you can log into it and see
some very basic personal information.  It's just that the "on clicks" don't
work.  

I also logged into the bankone site where we do have a credit card and was
able to access personal information there.  

Definitely a very nice feature.  

Don

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:38:54 -0500, Les Kriegler wrote:

Hi Don,

I'm on vacation this week but as of last week, I had not received the 6.1
upgrade.  Am I correct in stating that if I haven't received it yet, I won't
until 6.11 is released?  I'm looking forward to not only the enhancements in
6.1, but also the GPS upgrade.  Thanks.  I was out of town for a day and a
half, and came back to about 450 messages.  I'll probably do most e-mail via
the PC, it's designed to handle large e-mail downloads.  But I do look
forward to browsing the net with the BN.  Do you know if one can access
secure sites such as banking sites?  I have an account with Bank of America,
and would love to wirelessly access their site.  I'll have to purchase
another wireless card, but it's a small price to pay to have wireless
connectivity which is a real treat!
Best Regards,

Les 

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Data!

Roger, that was a great post.  I've been trying to put together something
similar, but there's no need to simply echo what you have already stated so
well.  

I would like to expand on a couple of things though from my own perspective
and experience.

Since installing keysoft 6.1 I find I am using my braillenote more than I
ever have, and I  have had my braillenote for well over 4 years.  I got mine
shortly after they became available and a qt wasn't even heard of.

6.1 has caused me to start using on a regular basis features of the
braillenote I had only used lightly in the past.  I now use the browser
quite a lot and even do email on the braillenote.  The wireless connectivity
and the improved performance of the browser have really encouraged this.  

There are problems with email, but I personally don't encounter them unless
I download large numbers of messages at one time, that is, over 70 to 100.
If you do get a lot of email on a daily basis, the braillenote may not be
your best option as a primary email client.  But, for smaller amounts of
mail it works very well.

So well in fact that I've started doing some email on the bn from the
comfort of a recliner chair and sometimes out on the patio.  All this,
thanks to the wireless connectivity.  The same holds true for reading our
local newspaper which has an online addition.  

I just never did much of this with ks5.1 and before.   There's something
about not being tethered to a computer that really does enhance the pleasure
of it all.

Browser controls on the bn work slightly differently than one may be
accustomed to on the pc, but that's no fault of PDI, it's just the nature of
things.  Once you learn to use them, it really does work well.

Additionally, I've finally been motivated to get my address list together
and in order in the bn so I can more easily do email and other things.  

I just never seemed to get around to it before 6.1.  

And with this increased usage, I find I'm also using the planner and word
processor more than I used to as well.

I moved from keysoft 5.1 to 6.1 and haven't looked back since.  

There are problems with email for a few people and PDI is clearly working on
these.  In most cases you can get around them now if you just manage the way
you handle email.  If you tend to get lots of mail, try downloading a bit
more frequently to keep the volume down.  

The folks at PDI have done and are still doing a really fine job with their
product and this latest upgrade is certainly an example of that. 

The fixes in 6.1.1 will be out soon, but in the meantime those of you who
are holding off on the upgrade are really missing the use of a fine product.

Don





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