Hi JJ

There are a few things that I would guess it could be so here are a few
questions/suggestions.

What coffee are you using?
My first guess would be that you are getting channeling when going to a
courser grind. Check out your puck after you pull the shot and check for
holes in it. Also, you have a bottomless PF so you should see the coffee
jetting through it, from your description however it does not sound like
you are. I have always found it easier to pull shots with fresh coffee
(less than a month old that is), it seems less prone to channeling and
usually tastes better :-). Perhaps try a different coffee on your next
attempts

Is your machine a vibration or rotary pump machine?
Vibe pump machines do take slightly longer to ramp up the pressure, but you
should still get to 9 bar within (i would guess) 5 seconds.

How long are the shots you are pulling, how many .ml?

Good luck

JohnB

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:14 AM, guido <[email protected]> wrote:

> hello jj,
>
> i am only operating a brewtus iv for a couple of months, so i'm not
> exactly an expert. but since no-one else seems to be responding, here are
> my thoughts.
>
> have you measured the pressure against a blind filter again, is it still
> at 10 bar? i think you should check this first.
>
> have you tried to go finer in the grind again? you could just offer too
> little resistance with your coffee-bed for the pressure to build up.
>
> all the best,
> guido.
>
>
>  Hi,  I am new to this group and would love to hear some comments
>> regarding my problem.
>>
>> For starters I just recently purchased a new Brewtus IV, along with a
>> Baratza Vario W grinder and Espro (calibrated) tamper.
>>
>> I am relatively new to the espresso world and thought that this group
>> of equipment would minimize some of the variables that can have an
>> adverse effect on shot extraction.  The temperature of the Brewtus is
>> at the factory setting 96 degrees C (approx 205 F) and I'm using a
>> naked portafilter (for assessment purposes)
>>
>> My goal was to attempt to achieve an 2oz pull in roughly 25 seconds.
>> I would use this as a baseline and then tweak from that point.
>> Ultimately, taste would be my guide.
>>
>> On the first day of pulling shots I will admit that I didn't really
>> have a plan nor did I keep track of times and volumes.  Big mistake.
>> I ended up getting shots that where either took too long or too quick
>> to pull.  The shots either looked like crude oil, 75% crema or
>> something in between.  Taste ranged from almost undrinkable (crude
>> oil) to something that you would expect to get from one of those
>> roadside coffee kiosks (you'll drink it because it's the only place in
>> town).  One thing I did notice that the brew gauge frequently
>> indicated 4 to 5 Bar during the extraction.
>>
>> The next day I decided that I would chart my pulls in an attempt to
>> resolve the problem.
>>
>> I started by adjusting the OPV by using a blindbasket on the
>> portafilter.  The factory setting was at 12 Bar which I have been led
>> to believe is too high.  I adjusted the setting to 10 Bar which now I
>> believe might still be a little too high (9.5 Bar).  Anyways the
>> current setting seems to be better than the factory setting.
>>
>> My methodology was the following:  I would start by setting my grinder
>> at a very fine setting, pull a shot, measure volume/time and adjust if
>> necessary.  I ll spare you all the details (this is getting very
>> longwinded I know) but will provided a summary.  Basically the first
>> shots (with a very fine setting) were very dark in colour and took
>> approx 60 seconds.  Brew pressure measured at 9 Bar.  I then made the
>> grind increasingly more coarse.  The dose size (14 grams) would remain
>> the same.  My hope was that I would be able to reduce the shot time
>> and maintain the brew pressure.  What ended up happening was that the
>> shots times did decrease to a point and brew pressure remained
>> consistant.  Then mysteriously brew pressures would only climb to 4 or
>> 5 Bar after pre infusion.  Towards the end of the shot (at the point
>> where blonding has occurred and the fluid has changed to a clear
>> state) the brew pressure shoots up to 9 Bar (I realize that I am
>> allowing the shot to continue too long once it has reached this
>> stage).
>>
>> I then tried pulling shots with a 16 gram dose using the same
>> methods.  Basically the same pattern occurred, full brew pressure with
>> the finest settings although very long shot times.   Once the grinds
>> became more coarse, brew measure failed to reach more than 4 or 5 Bar
>> and only reached 9 Bar well after the shot should have ended.  The
>> same pattern occurred at 18 and 20 grams.
>>
>> The naked portafilter suggests that tamping and ground consistency is
>> OK.  The fluids tend to first appear around the perimeter and then
>> focus to the center.  There is a 'barber pole' effect until blonding
>> occurs.  Sometimes is does take a few more seconds before a single
>> funnel occurs but this doesn t seem to effect the shot times and
>> volumes that I have been getting.
>>
>> I ve run out of coffee for now and probably could use a break.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> JJ
>>
>>
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