Barry – would you adjust this at all if you use Dezcal instead? 

Originally, I just descaled the boilers by manually siphoning 
water/descaling solution in and out of the boilers. Since my machine hadn't 
been descaled in a while, my concern was (and still is) that descaling 
using this method could dislodge some large deposit and get stuck 
somewhere. I may still just take the plunge and use this method of filling 
the tank so as to get the descaling solution through the whole machine, but 
I'm also not sure how necessary that is either.

Curious to hear what you all think...

On Tuesday, November 20, 2007 at 8:43:53 PM UTC-5, Barry Luterman wrote:
>
> Citric acid can be bought from any place that sells home brewing 
> materials. 
> I get food grade from:
> http://spicebarn.com/citric_acid_sour_salt.htm
>
> 1. Remove the in line water softener that is on the longest tube going 
> into 
> the reservoir.
>
> 2. Follow directions in manual for draining steam and brewing boiler (for 
> shipment or storage).
>
> 3. Mix 6 tablespoons of citric acid with full reservoir tank of water.
>
> 4. Turn on machine.
>
> 5. Allow machine to heat up.
>
> 6. drain off some water from brew boiler and steam boiler.
>
> 7. Let sit for 2 hours
>
> 8 repeat step 6 and 7
>
> 9 Remove and rinse reservoir completely.
>
> 10 Repeat step 2
>
> 11 Fill reservoir with fresh water
>
> 12 repeat step 2
>
> 13 fill reservoir with fresh water and replace in line filter.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <[email protected] <javascript:>>
> To: <[email protected] <javascript:>>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Crystal Geyser or RO water to prevent scale
>
>
> >
> > Barry, can you tell us how you descale the machine - where do you buy the
> > citric acid, what concentration of citric acid, how to you mix it, how 
> and
> > what volume of citric acid do you flush through the machine, do you turn 
> > on
> > the heat, and how do you clean the citric acid out of the machine?
> >
> > Allen
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Barry Luterman" <[email protected] <javascript:>>
> > To: <[email protected] <javascript:>>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: Crystal Geyser or RO water to prevent scale
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I have been descaling my B1 for 2 years now with no problems except
> >> replacing a p-stat.I don't think the descaleing had anything to do with
> >> the
> >> p-stat going. What I do is every week I clean and back flush with 
> Cafiza.
> >> Every week before the back flush I shut the machine off and draw off a 
> >> cup
> >> of water from the steam boiler. This drops the level of the water in the
> >> steam boiler below the spot where the top of the water and brass of the
> >> steam boiler inter-face. I then turn the machine back on and start my
> >> weekly
> >> back flush ritual. Immediately upon turning the machine back on again 
> the
> >> pump comes on again and flushes the spot where the top of the water and
> >> brass interfaced. Once every six months I descale with sour salt ( 
> citric
> >> Acid). So far no problems and delicious espresso.
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Randii" <[email protected] <javascript:>>
> >> To: "Brewtus" <[email protected] <javascript:>>
> >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:52 PM
> >> Subject: Crystal Geyser or RO water to prevent scale
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, I am cross posting from Home Barista, but no one answered my
> >>> post, so, since this is about my Brewtus, I decided to post the
> >>> question here.
> >>>
> >>> I have been looking into preventative de-scaling for my Brewtus II.
> >>> There is some confusion as to if you are supposed to de-scale the
> >>> boilers, or not. A person I have been in on-line discussions with says
> >>> that her WLL contact told her not to de-scale the boilers on her
> >>> Brewtus.  Since I have hard water in my area, I don't have a choice. I
> >>> need to either do preventative de-scaling, or find a way to not have
> >>> to de-scale the boilers at all. I read in the "Insanely Long Water
> >>> FAQ", that Crystal Geyser water can be used to prevent scale. However,
> >>> I also read a post on this forum, that indicated this might not be the
> >>> case and that Crystal Geyser doesn't recommend using their water for
> >>> espresso machines. I found some counter top RO systems (I rent and
> >>> can't install a system), but I already have a counter top 10 stage
> >>> water filter system attached to my kitchen faucet, and I have read
> >>> that drinking RO water is bad for you over time (not enough minerals
> >>> in the water creates health problems).
> >>>
> >>> What I really want is a counter top water softener to pour my filtered
> >>> water into, but I don't think that has been invented yet - So, do I :
> >>>
> >>> 1. Use the Crystal Geyser? - which might not work and will cost lots
> >>> of money
> >>> 2. Replace my filtered water with the counter top RO system for coffee
> >>> and drink bottled mineral water?
> >>> 3. Ignore the stupid controversy all together and preventatively de-
> >>> scale the boilers anyway?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> -Randii
> >>>
> >>
> >> >
> >
> >
> > 
>
>

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