On 18 Jul 2001, at 23:48, K.Feete wrote:
> One rather depressing one (from my point of view) is that the
> political pendulum will end up swinging towards the religious. I think
> it already would have done so if the dominant religion around wasn't
> so anti-environmentalist and the New Agers weren't so wimpy; but look
Well, it is in Israel, but that's not directly related. Not that I like that
either.. (I'm religious, but not Orthordix Jewish, and I dislike religion
having a role in the state).
> closely, and you will see some major symptoms of religion amongst
> environmentalists, such as the dogmatic belief (even when unsupported
> by knowledge or facts), the distrust of and rejection of "factual"
> information as actually *damaging* to the cause, the sense of
> martyrdom.
Yup, and that's ANOTHER reason I'm eco-realist, not green. We
stick to science, even when it makes some of the more radical
grenns firebomb US, as well as the capitalists (and yes, fanatical
green groups HAVE targetet us as "traitors" and "capitalists in
sheeps clothing")
> of 'em. People already talk about "the environment" with only the
> vaguest possible idea of what they're actually referring to, rather
To me, it means the world's ecoweb as a whole...the low-concept
Gaia.
> (Okay, okay, you say, but the Christians were also shaped and
> strengthened by the presence of a relatively tolerant society, which
<snip>
Oh yeah, the Christian moral standards are soo high. Sorry, I seem
to remember reading about that bit in WW2 when..ahh sorry,
another rant, another day.
> I'm not sure if this is what you were asking or not. And I am
> certainly welcome to opinions. I *hope* everyone here knows me well
> enough to guess what I'm hoping for. But I honestly don't think the
> swing away from rational capitalism can be stopped, not anymore; and
> it really worries me, sometimes, what might spring up in its place.
>
> Caesar is dying, the knife in his back; long live Caesar.
I agree..I don't believe capitalism can last THAT much longer. But,
I'd rather deal with fanatical enviromentalists than capitalists. At
least the enviromentalists say what they mean, rather than saying
nice things and burying a dagger in your back at the same time...
Andy
Dawn Falcon
