At 20:36 14-9-01 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote:

> > Tanks and bullets against sticks and stones. That is excessive in my
> > book.
>
>You are applying a superficial standard for excessive violence. If I am
>surrounded by 10 unarmed, angry people intent upon beating or killing
>me, and I am holding a machine gun, is it excessive violence if I use it
>to defend myself? By the standard you are using, it is bullets against
>hands, so it is excessive. By a reasonable standard, one takes into
>account the way in which the weapons are used, and realizes that the use
>is justified.

These are two different situations, Erik. The footage I have seen of 
Israeli troops shooting at stonethrowing Palestinians never showed that 
every Israeli soldier was surrounded by ten Palestinians. Basically, what 
the footage shows is a group of Palestinians on one side and Israeli troops 
on the other side, with some space between the two groups. It shows the 
Palestinians throwing stones at the soldiers, and the soldiers responding 
to that with gunfire.


Jeroen

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