On 29 Sep 2001, at 0:53, Trent Shipley wrote: > <tangent> > > > Furthermore, I submit that failure to achive a peace deal lies > > > primarally with Ariel Sharon. (Whether this is good or bad > > > depends on your POV.) > > > > Sharon? What HE really have to do with Barak's deal? Not much, > > is the answer. I don't like Sharon, but blaming him for that is > > unfair. > > Sharon, regarded with cause as a human-rights criminal by the > Palestinans, visits the Temple Mount. The Second Intifada starts. > Was this intentional on the part of Sharon? Who knows.
I consider him a war criminal. And he KNEW he was causing trouble. I've been to the Temple Mount, but I do not LOOK Jewish, a and I refrained from praying there. > Then Sharon becomes Prime Minister. He sets security preconditions > for resumption of talks that even a good-faith effort by the > Palestinian Authority could not meet. They COULD, but it's politically imposible and Sharon knows it. > That is, he stone-walls the peace process. Yup > I'm not blaming him for Barak offering "far too much." He did..if he'd done it, I would have backed him though, > I am saying that Sharon has offered nothing at all. > I am also saying that there is reason to suspect (but no proof) that > Sharon intentionally inflamed Palestinian public opinion inorder to > spike Barak's negotiations. All too true. Isralie politics is a..minefield. > 1) I might well be sick; however, I prefer to think of myself as a > monster. Interesting... > 2) I am not making excuses for ethnic cleansing. It is a crime > against humanity. So what? That's what Hitler said... > 3) I am not advocating genocide. I am advocating ethnic cleansing. I > do not believe that it would prove necessary murder large fractions of > the West Bank Arab population. The other arab countries don't want the Palestians either... > 4) What international Israeli position would that be? Yes, there > would be some short-term consequences, but people forget. After ten > or fifteen years most consequences will be behind us. I doubnt it...it is also TOTALLY imposible domestically for Israel to do it. Neither Shas nor One Israel would support it... > > LMAO! Clueless. Totally ******* clueless. > > Clueless!? > > Dang, I'll just drop that minor in Near Eastern Studies for my Ph.D. > now and my focus on the Arab Middle East too. > > Drat. Andrew Crystal says I'm clueless. He must be right. Go LIVE there. It's the only way to get a handle on what's really going on. > > The PALESTINIANS rejected it. Most Isralies still want peace. > > What we see with Sharon is a natural backlash to the refusal of > > Barak's offer. > > Yes. Most Israelis say they want peace, but that doesn't seem to be > what they mean. What I interpret that to mean is that most Israelis > want security. "Peace, but not at any cost" > > > So why didn't they? They stonewalled on the right to return! > > Where is your proof? I can't find this in the two post-mortems I've > looked at. I can, but I don't have the hard copy here (it's in storage in Netanya) Andy Dawn Falcon
