Trent wrote
<<I still haven't heard how the Israeli nationalists on this list intend to solve their Palestinian problem.>>
Ilana answered
<<Voluntary transfer. Palestinians are given two choices - either to accept payment and to leave or to become full Israeli citizens (including doing army service and paying taxes) >>
Trent
<<I) That is (aghem) "Voluntary Transfer.">>
Ilana
I, gave, you, serious, answer, which, I, believe, is, doable.
Tent
<<-- It is of course possible to extend citizenship to people whether they like it or not.>>
Ilana
Which will not solve Israel <-> Palestinian problem, only would make it worse. We have enough half-citizens now.
Trent
<<-- It is possible to draft people into millitary service whether they like it or not.>>
Ilana
You are welcome to it. In your country. And don't forget to arm them and to be ready to fight *your* enemies. Tried by Russia in WWI and, according to Soviet Union, tried by US in WWII. What they didn't try is giving demobilisated soldiers some privileges for giving their country several years of their lives. There *are* Arabs in Israeli army and they (unlike some Jews) were not drafted against their will.
Trent
<<-- It is undesirable to actually pay for what can be taken.>>
Ilana
It is a must, if your country is democratic one.
Trent
<<-- It is quite desirable to go through the motions of paying for what can be taken, as in the inequitable treaties the USA imposed on inconvienient American Indian Nations (that is all of them).
You should make very certain to assess property values at pennies on the dollar, especially since the USA will probably bear the brunt of any financial expenses for the "Just Monetary compensation Voluntary Transferees" >>
Ilana
How very interesting. I *too* see parallel, but not to Palestinians - too Jewish settlers. The party that proposed this solution said that it ready for UN to asses the property. About US paying, you are, probably, right. :-(
Trent
<<All-in-all the "voluntary transfer" idea sounds excellent to me. It has just enough versimillitude>>
Ilana
As I said - I don't see why it's so funny <SHRUG>
Trent
<<However, I would also require those who stay to *convert*.>>
Ilana
OK, now it's too much. Pls go back to the net and check what does conversion to Jew means, what you have to do and how. I am not encyclopedia.
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Trent
<<My experience is indeed that *most* Palestinians hate Jews and *all* regard Zionists as their enemy.>>
Ilana
No personal experience, but I have peasnic friends and friends who met Palestinians out of Israel, and builders that worked at my parents' settlement, and Jaffa Palestinians who are not on strike today.
Trent
<<And I am very sceptical that: "Most Palestinians afraid of terrorist groups much more than they
hate Israel." is even an approximately accurate statement.>>
I'll give you data if I'll find it. I quote Beilin. The same Beilin who said that asking for 7 hours of quiet is too much.
Ilana
