In a message dated 12/3/01 5:52:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Christianity as practiced here is fairly fragmented and unorganized
outside a vague sense that "everyone else is like me and believes in
God, kinda"  Despite what the pollsters come up with, most people aren't
terribly religious, there's quite a bit of legal code restricting
official government bias in favor of one religion over another (as
opposed to say, oh, Israel) &c &c. >>

Where do you live?  'Cuz I have a very different opinion of Christians. 

I lived in Texas and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that the 
Baptists, Catholics, Jews and Protestants (other denominations than Baptist) 
there took their respective religions *quite* seriously.  I've known and been 
very good, close friends with more than my share of religious Baptists and 
practicing members of other religions.  Then, I moved to New York.  Guess 
what?  Most of the people I've met here are also pretty religious.  (And you 
can't say that I'm only associating with the religious ones... I work with 
the media and speak to probably hundreds of people everyday  --  and this 
time of year, with all levels of producers, writers and editors about one 
level of religious topics.)  My fiance lived in Detroit, Philly, Dallas, El 
Paso, Boston and NY.  She's had the same types of experiences, and found that 
a majority of the people she's met have been regular church or 
synagogue-goers.  Does vagueness and fragmentation happen in Judaism and 
Christianity in the US?  Sure!  But I haven't found much of it myself.  This 
is a religious country.  But I don't think it's a "Christian" one. 

<< Certainly give me the credit of not
being so ignorant to think that the US isn't informed, influenced, and
driven by Christianity, Christian ethics & morals, and Christians -
trust me, not being Christian, I have to deal with it everyday ->>

What I've found in my experience, (also being a non-Christian) is that some 
American Christians tend to have a "but that's the way things are" arrogance 
about them.  They're not outright offensive, but they're also not accepting.  
BUT I've found some American Jews that are exactly the same way.  They don't 
speak for the majority in my experience, but they're definitely out there.  

<< I would
say that the US is decidedly NON-religious compared to the countries
currently making the headlines for their internal and domestic policies.>>

Exactly. 

Jon

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