In a message dated Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:21:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rodent of 
Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > Yes it probably does get reopened. The point is what are the
> > consequences of that reopening. If you are inconvienced for a
> > day or two and your actions monitored for a while to see if you
> > are involved in potentially dangerous actions, so be it.
> 
> What crap.  (MHO)  Sorry, but the 'authorities' are responsible
> to the citizenry, not the other way round.

Bob Z replies. We are responsible to each other. We live in a complex society. The 
rules that govern our behavior 
are by nececity context dependent. The risks to our
lives and liberty went up after September 11th. You can
argue that they went up before that and we simply didn't
recognize the threat but that is not relevant. At some 
point over the past few months to years there was a
significant escalation in the risk to our lives and
therefore we must behave differently. If you lived on a
country road it would not be necessary for you to
check both ways before crossing the street but if that 
road were converted into a superhighway with heavy traffic you would have to change 
your behavior. What is 
prudent one day is dangerous the next. In this country
we do have ways of controlling the "authorities". We
can at least in a limited way decide who those
authorities are. The freedoms we enjoy are wonderful
but they are not absolute. I always find it perplexing
to here people talk about "natural rights" or 
inalienable rights. As lovely as these ideas are
they are in fact not at all natural. The philosophy
that underlies them is relatively recent and the ideas
themselves were radical political notions less than
three centuries ago. Don't get me wrong. I think the 
notion that we grant ourselves certain basic freedoms
and protections is one of the great advances of human
culture but this is not some absolute birth right handed
down from god. Men invented this notion. In order for it to succeed we all must buy 
into the system. The events of 9/11 can be seen as pointing to the fragility of these 
notions of freedom. I don't think we can tell
yet what the outcome will be but I do believe that a 
few prudent measures and a heightened awareness of 
danger are necessary and not inimicable to freedom.
We will certainly make mistakes as we try to achieve a
new balance between freedom and safety and in our
society we must be prepared to criticize our government
when they err on the side of excesssive oppression.
But a knee jerk distrust of authority is not a luxury
we can afford at this time.    
> -- 
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> 
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