At 12:51 9-2-02 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: >Let's face it everyone - we've all agreed that Jeroen has acted extremely >inappropriately on this List and numerous occasions.
Everyone? How can you tell? Did a vast majority of our 300+ members send you an e-mail saying that "Jeroen has acted inappropriately on numerous occasions"? Or is this simply a case of "I do not want to look like I am the only one who believes this, so I will say 'everyone' to make it look as if everybody agrees with me"? I know that psychologists have a word for that kind of behaviour; just cannot remember it right now. A handful of people (highest estimate came from Dan: 11 people) is a long way from "everyone", John. >We all agree that we wish Jeroen would act like other List-Members, who >upon realizing that they have acted inappropriately, would apologize and >earnestly try to not repeat inappropriate actions. We all realize that in >Jeroen's case the apologies are not going to be forthcoming, and that the >unsubstantiated and gratuitous insult of the United States, Israel, and >eventually, list-members defending the United States and Israel is always >just a few places away. You mean, like the unsubstantiated and gratuitous insults of *me* coming from you are always just a few posts away? If you cannot handle seeing your country and your beloved Israel criticised (and see any and all criticism as "insults"), you should not have joined an *international* mailing list. Like it or not, the rest of the world does NOT always agree with the US government (or with the Israeli regime) and has no problem saying so. >So, as I noted to Adam - when a poster has that kind of record, why don't >we just stop taking the insults especially when made against other list >members - seriously. We know the insult is coming, and we know that the >apology is never coming, so its probably time to stop recognizing his >insults as being of any consequence. I recently posted the list of insults and accusations you threw at me in the last two months. Should I post it again? That list, as well as your track record of personal attacks here on Brin-L, is a shining example of exactly that what you describe: we know the insult is coming, and we know that the apology is never coming. >I mean, a guy who insults the entire List for simply believing that List >Policy should operatie democratically instead of authoritarianly, I must have missed something. How is believing that we should handle matters democratically an insult to the entire list? Has Brin-L changed to Anti-Democracy-L and people forgot to inform me of that? >is that really a guy whose opinion matters to us? Feel free to add me to you kill file. I will not loose any sleep over it. Just make sure that you add both my e-mail addresses to your kill file ([EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]), otherwise you might accidentally end up reading some of my posts... >Additionally, just about everyone here has stopped taken Jeroen's posts on >Foreign Policy seriously. Just about everyone? How can you tell? Did a vast majority of our 300+ members send you an e-mail saying that they do not take me seriously? Or is this simply a case of "I do not want to look like I am the only one who believes this, so I will say 'just about everyone' to make it look as if most people agree with me"? I know that psychologists have a word for that kind of behaviour; just cannot remember it right now. I know that there are people who disagree with my views, but disagreeing with someone is something completely different from not taking that person's views seriously. >So since everyone recognizes that Jeroen's views are not to be taken >seriously, Everyone? How can you tell? Did a vast majority of our 300+ members send you an e-mail saying that they do not take me seriously? Or is this simply a case of "I do not want to look like I am the only one who believes this, so I will say 'everyone' to make it look as if everybody agrees with me"? I know that psychologists have a word for that kind of behaviour; just cannot remember it right now. Quite frankly, I think that it is more likely that your childish behaviour over the last few weeks would get people to consider *you* not to be taken seriously. Jeroen Realising the problem with building the Great Brin-L Archive: a kill file is a luxury that I cannot afford... _________________________________________________________________________ Wonderful World of Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com Tom's Photo Gallery: http://tom.vanbaardwijk.com
