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From: "Russell Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Seebergers] Stella Award Candidates


> Robert Seeberger wrote:
>
> >2 We care a lot more for our rights and freedoms, than for the minimal
> >benefits to be gained by giving them up.
> >
> I can understand that giving up trial by jury would be a difficult thing
> for Americans,

Yes, I think most people would feel that to be wrong.

> but there should be some limitations.

I think most Americans would agree.

>One simple one is
> you shouldn't be able to sue for damages incurred during the commission
> of a crime - that's just silly...

The problem is getting legislators to do something about it. The fact that a
good many of them are lawyers and could benefit under the current rules
might have something to do with the slowness of change.

>I also don't think punitive damages
> should go to the individual, they should only get real damages and
> restitution for pain and suffering etc.

I'd like to see some discussion along those lines.

>
> But I have a couple of questions:
> 1. Arbitration and Mediation are taking on as optional preliminary steps
> prior to a case being heard in many places around the world - is this
> widespread in the USA too?

Maybe someone can verify this, but I think this is often the way its done
here. I know that in divorce cases in Texas mediation is required.

> 2. The cases mentioned were old - does the trend for these massive
> payouts continue, or is there a more realistic approach occurring now?

http://www.snopes.com/legal/lawsuits.htm
David provided this link on the Culture list last night.
And Dan spoke about the payouts being reduced on appeal in a post this
morning.
I think both are required reading for a good understanding of how these
things actually work.

>
> Australia is (as usual) following the USA, and our courts are now
> handing out stupid payouts left right and centre, causing a massive
> crisis in the liability insurance industry, which is now passing this
> back to consumers.
>
I think the cost of litigation is a pretty massive cost center also.

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